Another dreamer?
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Another dreamer?
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1243512
Seems a bit low? Also despise that number plate
Think the estimate is a bit high for something that doesn't look perfect - what do you all think?
Seems a bit low? Also despise that number plate
Think the estimate is a bit high for something that doesn't look perfect - what do you all think?
Current Jobs to do (23/1/22):
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Re: Another dreamer?
"blisteringly quick" - I know turbos can shift, but really??!!
That's had some serious bashing about the front end. The number plate is horrible as you say Ben, plus of course it is missing its holder. The grille/fog-light surround looks to be broken and I suspect the bumper is off its side mounting at least on the driver's side.
That's just for starters...
So yes, another dreamer.
BTW, that dodgy looking white one has lost a couple more thousand pounds off its asking price I see - a mere £4.5K now
David
That's had some serious bashing about the front end. The number plate is horrible as you say Ben, plus of course it is missing its holder. The grille/fog-light surround looks to be broken and I suspect the bumper is off its side mounting at least on the driver's side.
That's just for starters...
So yes, another dreamer.
BTW, that dodgy looking white one has lost a couple more thousand pounds off its asking price I see - a mere £4.5K now
David
Current: 1994 480 GT, 1996 460 CD & 1997 440 LE with lots of optional extras & 2007 V50 SE Sport
Previous: Celebration 331 (re-homed with Richard S), Celebration 467 (returned to Martin Mc); Celebration 346 (re-homed with Alan480); Celebration 269 (scrapped abandoned project), Celebration 73 (sold on after 6 years), 1992 ES, 1988 ES - and numerous other non-480 Volvos!
Previous: Celebration 331 (re-homed with Richard S), Celebration 467 (returned to Martin Mc); Celebration 346 (re-homed with Alan480); Celebration 269 (scrapped abandoned project), Celebration 73 (sold on after 6 years), 1992 ES, 1988 ES - and numerous other non-480 Volvos!
Re: Another dreamer?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26115/lot/92/
Some more pics.
Dodgy numberplate (although weirdly think it suits the styling of the car!), exhaust and head unit; no floor mats, little red flashing light on the dashboard is missing, aftermarket speakers (no bad thing) but they are showing through the speaker grills and has paint peeling from the front left on the bumper. Not to mention, it's dirty!
I'll let Jeff destroy the rest. Looks like a grubby example which is a shame because I don't think any of us are adverse to £5k for a lovely example, it's just a shame that the only cars above £2k are traders chancing it.
Some more pics.
Dodgy numberplate (although weirdly think it suits the styling of the car!), exhaust and head unit; no floor mats, little red flashing light on the dashboard is missing, aftermarket speakers (no bad thing) but they are showing through the speaker grills and has paint peeling from the front left on the bumper. Not to mention, it's dirty!
I'll let Jeff destroy the rest. Looks like a grubby example which is a shame because I don't think any of us are adverse to £5k for a lovely example, it's just a shame that the only cars above £2k are traders chancing it.
Re: Another dreamer?
Yes I certainly think this car is 'ropey' as you said let Jeff unload a broadside into it and excommunicate the owner, when will people get the message?
Current Jobs to do (23/1/22):
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
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Re: Another dreamer?
That has surfaced for sale in the last few years. I think it was over N. Ireland and had been sitting for many years. I don't know of it was good storage or bad. Someone's obviously done some work for an MOT. I'll presume the bare minimum as they haven't mentioned any of it in the listing.
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
Re: Another dreamer?
where to start.......
No MOT currently - there's your starting point for a 5k car....
"*Rare manual gearbox model – one of a believed 12 survivors"
" the typically solid Volvo bodywork is said to be very good"
Missing front spoiler
missing drivers tipping Seat knob
cracked seat belt button
NSR seat not fitted correctly
Heater buttons....
Centre guages not sitting correctly
Alarm LED missing
NSR arch looks to be full of filler
If that's 5k, then Henry's going in for 12k!
No MOT currently - there's your starting point for a 5k car....
"*Rare manual gearbox model – one of a believed 12 survivors"
" the typically solid Volvo bodywork is said to be very good"
Missing front spoiler
missing drivers tipping Seat knob
cracked seat belt button
NSR seat not fitted correctly
Heater buttons....
Centre guages not sitting correctly
Alarm LED missing
NSR arch looks to be full of filler
If that's 5k, then Henry's going in for 12k!
Re: Another dreamer?
When was the last sensibly priced (non forum) 480 you saw?
Current Jobs to do (23/1/22):
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Re: Another dreamer?
Mine!
1991 ES White / 1995 ES Red / 1995 ES Red / 1994 S Black / 1995 Celebration Red / 1994 S Paris Blue / 1995 Celebration (again!) Red - Currently free of all extramarital cars, wrench-loose and fancy free
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Re: Another dreamer?
No MOT currently, and given the list of defects the car failed two subsequent MOTs (one month apart - listing some of the same defects) makes it very unlikely to get it MOT'ed without major investments.
Date tested 15 May 2020
FAIL
Mileage 56,234 miles
Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Front Steering component mounting prescribed area is corroded to the extent that control of the vehicle is likely to be adversely affected subframe corroded near steering rack mount (2.1.2 (e) (ii))
Front Sub-frame insecure and impairing directional stability sub frame corroded (5.3.3 (a) (ii))
Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Rear Seat belt buckle missing (7.1.2 (d))
Offside Rear Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced inner wheel arch and outer sill (7.1.1 (a) (i))
Offside Windscreen damaged and affecting the driver's view of the road (3.2 (a) (ii))
Nearside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (3.4 (b) (ii))
Offside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (3.4 (b) (ii))
Offside Front Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a) (ii))
Headlamp aim not tested head lamp mech not rising headlamps to position (4.1.2 (b))
Headlamp not working on dipped beam head lamps not rising to position when switched on (4.1.1 (a) (ii))
Hazard warning switch inoperative (4.4.2 (a) (ii))
Hazard warning lamps inoperative all lamps (4.4.1 (e))
Nearside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Emissions not tested unable to run engine at steady revs and part of in take system missing (8.2.1.2 (d))
Emission control equipment missing where fitted as standard maf sensor disconnected and intake pipes missing (8.2.1.1 (a))
Oil leaking excessively from engine sump plug area (8.4.1 (a) (i))
Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength inner wheel arch and outer sill (5.3.6 (a) (i))
Offside Front Sub-frame corroded and seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))
Nearside Front Brake hose excessively deteriorated (1.1.12 (b) (ii))
Offside Front Tyre fouling a part of the vehicle inner wing and brake hose (5.2.3 (f))
Brake performance not tested due to condition of front sub frame unsafe to carry out brake test (1.2.1 (g))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Hazard warning switch insecure (4.4.2 (a) (i))
Offside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Offside Front Brake hose slightly chafed (1.1.12 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front day time running light inop
Offside Front Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing perished (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Nearside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing perished (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Offside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing perished (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Date tested 18 June 2020
FAIL
Mileage 56,241 miles
Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Nearside Front Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached Split pin missing (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached Split pin missing (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Front Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a) (ii))
Nearside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Rear Rear fog lamp not working (4.5.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Rear Inner Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced Arch (7.1.1 (a) (i))
Offside Rear Seat belt missing Stalk (7.1.2 (a))
Brake pipe excessively corroded Across the rear frame (1.1.11 (c))
Nearside Front Brake hose bulging under pressure (1.1.12 (d))
Parking brake efficiency below requirements (1.4.2 (a) (i))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Date tested 15 May 2020
FAIL
Mileage 56,234 miles
Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Front Steering component mounting prescribed area is corroded to the extent that control of the vehicle is likely to be adversely affected subframe corroded near steering rack mount (2.1.2 (e) (ii))
Front Sub-frame insecure and impairing directional stability sub frame corroded (5.3.3 (a) (ii))
Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Rear Seat belt buckle missing (7.1.2 (d))
Offside Rear Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced inner wheel arch and outer sill (7.1.1 (a) (i))
Offside Windscreen damaged and affecting the driver's view of the road (3.2 (a) (ii))
Nearside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (3.4 (b) (ii))
Offside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (3.4 (b) (ii))
Offside Front Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a) (ii))
Headlamp aim not tested head lamp mech not rising headlamps to position (4.1.2 (b))
Headlamp not working on dipped beam head lamps not rising to position when switched on (4.1.1 (a) (ii))
Hazard warning switch inoperative (4.4.2 (a) (ii))
Hazard warning lamps inoperative all lamps (4.4.1 (e))
Nearside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Emissions not tested unable to run engine at steady revs and part of in take system missing (8.2.1.2 (d))
Emission control equipment missing where fitted as standard maf sensor disconnected and intake pipes missing (8.2.1.1 (a))
Oil leaking excessively from engine sump plug area (8.4.1 (a) (i))
Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength inner wheel arch and outer sill (5.3.6 (a) (i))
Offside Front Sub-frame corroded and seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))
Nearside Front Brake hose excessively deteriorated (1.1.12 (b) (ii))
Offside Front Tyre fouling a part of the vehicle inner wing and brake hose (5.2.3 (f))
Brake performance not tested due to condition of front sub frame unsafe to carry out brake test (1.2.1 (g))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Hazard warning switch insecure (4.4.2 (a) (i))
Offside Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Offside Front Brake hose slightly chafed (1.1.12 (b) (i))
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Offside Front day time running light inop
Offside Front Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing perished (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Nearside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing perished (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Offside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing perished (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
Date tested 18 June 2020
FAIL
Mileage 56,241 miles
Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Nearside Front Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached Split pin missing (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached Split pin missing (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Front Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a) (ii))
Nearside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Rear Rear fog lamp not working (4.5.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Rear Inner Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced Arch (7.1.1 (a) (i))
Offside Rear Seat belt missing Stalk (7.1.2 (a))
Brake pipe excessively corroded Across the rear frame (1.1.11 (c))
Nearside Front Brake hose bulging under pressure (1.1.12 (d))
Parking brake efficiency below requirements (1.4.2 (a) (i))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Robert.
Present cars: 1994 Volvo 480 GT 2.0i, 1999 Volvo S70 2.5 Europa, 2010 Volvo V70 2.0F Momentum
Present cars: 1994 Volvo 480 GT 2.0i, 1999 Volvo S70 2.5 Europa, 2010 Volvo V70 2.0F Momentum
Re: Another dreamer?
Have had an interesting call with Bonhams....
The car is currently being worked on, and will have an MOT before the sale. Apparently it's had a new* subframe fitted and there's just some "silly little bits" to be addressed....
I can book in to view the car up to 3 days before the auction (so 23/24/25th)....
The car is currently being worked on, and will have an MOT before the sale. Apparently it's had a new* subframe fitted and there's just some "silly little bits" to be addressed....
I can book in to view the car up to 3 days before the auction (so 23/24/25th)....
- jamescarruthers
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Re: Another dreamer?
Basically its a few few hundred pounds project car then.
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
Re: Another dreamer?
That's a very comprehensively done in bank balance for whoever is trying to get it ready for sale, if they have any respect for selling a decent car.
I believe the Royal Navy have a certain term for this sort of thing
I believe the Royal Navy have a certain term for this sort of thing
Current Jobs to do (23/1/22):
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
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Re: Another dreamer?
I'd be interested where he purchased his new subframe
The 12 remaining statement isn't that far off if you trust "how many left.co.uk". Turbo, manual, non-sunroof... 11 only taxed for first quarter 2020. Many are SORN i'm sure, but there is no denying its rarity in 2020.
Interesting the repeated stabs at an Mot!
If that makes 5-7k in a no reserve auction i'll eat my hat - but who am I to argue with Bonhams of all people. Lets hope it does!
Jay-Kay-Em
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Re: Another dreamer?
maybe 'new to car'?Jay-Kay-Em wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:41 pm
I'd be interested where he purchased his new subframe
The 12 remaining statement isn't that far off if you trust "how many left.co.uk". Turbo, manual, non-sunroof... 11 only taxed for first quarter 2020. Many are SORN i'm sure, but there is no denying its rarity in 2020.
it is actually possible, just, with engine and running gear / front suspension left 'in-situ'
biggest problem is getting the subframe over the lambda sensor fitting!!
Alan
480 ES 2litre 'Celebration' ? , C30 1.8ES, SS1
480 ES 2litre 'Celebration' ? , C30 1.8ES, SS1
Re: Another dreamer?
Yes, "new" subframe made me chortle too.....Jay-Kay-Em wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:41 pmI'd be interested where he purchased his new subframe
The 12 remaining statement isn't that far off if you trust "how many left.co.uk". Turbo, manual, non-sunroof... 11 only taxed for first quarter 2020. Many are SORN i'm sure, but there is no denying its rarity in 2020.
Interesting the repeated stabs at an Mot!
If that makes 5-7k in a no reserve auction i'll eat my hat - but who am I to argue with Bonhams of all people. Lets hope it does!
I also pointed out that how many left's figures can only represent taxed or untaxed vehicles, and that thanks to the current pandemic, many owners (myself included) have Sorn'ed cars that would have normally been taxed.
The other curious thing about the MOT stabs, is that the second attempt was a different station, with clearly no attempt made at repairing some of the original faults! Clearly they knew better than the man from the ministry eh? Either that or they forget that since computerising the system, the tester can easily see previous MOT's so has a starting point for looking for stuff.
Its a another 200 quid project car in my eyes
- dragonflyjewels
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Re: Another dreamer?
That's an impressive list for 'silly little bits' I wonder what they'd consider big bits ?Date tested 18 June 2020
FAIL
Mileage 56,241 miles
Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Nearside Front Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached Split pin missing (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached Split pin missing (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Front Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a) (ii))
Nearside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Front Direction indicator not working (4.4.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Rear Rear fog lamp not working (4.5.1 (a) (ii))
Offside Rear Inner Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced Arch (7.1.1 (a) (i))
Offside Rear Seat belt missing Stalk (7.1.2 (a))
Brake pipe excessively corroded Across the rear frame (1.1.11 (c))
Nearside Front Brake hose bulging under pressure (1.1.12 (d))
Parking brake efficiency below requirements (1.4.2 (a) (i))
Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):
Registration plate lamp inoperative in the case of multiple lamps or light sources (4.7.1 (b) (i))
Sylvia
Snazzy - 1993 Paris Blue ES red dipstick 2.0i bought 2001
Lethal Lily - 1991 White Turbo
Paris the Unicorn - 1991 Paris Edition
hubby has
Sven - 1994 Racing Green GT
Evil Eva - 1992 Paris Blue Turbo
no previous 480s - can't bear to sell any
Snazzy - 1993 Paris Blue ES red dipstick 2.0i bought 2001
Lethal Lily - 1991 White Turbo
Paris the Unicorn - 1991 Paris Edition
hubby has
Sven - 1994 Racing Green GT
Evil Eva - 1992 Paris Blue Turbo
no previous 480s - can't bear to sell any
- Jay-Kay-Em
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Re: Another dreamer?
Those days are gone I think for Manual Turbos...
This made £930 in an open auction remember... no MoT, a non-driver and all sorts of un-told rust issues!
Jay-Kay-Em
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Re: Another dreamer?
Any idea what 440 Turbos are worth? I am beginning to have a 440 Turbo shaped itch I am thinking about wanting to try and scratch...Jay-Kay-Em wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:42 pmThose days are gone I think for Manual Turbos...
This made £930 in an open auction remember... no MoT, a non-driver and all sorts of un-told rust issues!
Current Jobs to do (23/1/22):
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Fix Central Locking
Fix drivers side speaker
Annoying Scratching Squeak
Water leaks
Complete Front O/S rebuild
Re: Another dreamer?
You're assuming it sold to an actual buyer....Jay-Kay-Em wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:42 pmThose days are gone I think for Manual Turbos...
This made £930 in an open auction remember... no MoT, a non-driver and all sorts of un-told rust issues!