Engine Electrics
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Engine Electrics
Been going around in circles checking topics on the forum, trying to put together a 'How To' detailing getting a non-starting car to start. No success!
Has anybody got info detailing the whereabouts of the various parts of the engine electrical systems?
Photographs / drawings ( / whatever) showing locations and names would be most helpful.
Also explanations of what the various components / bits do.
My car is a 1991 turbo auto with a B18FT-107 motor.
All info welcome.
Has anybody got info detailing the whereabouts of the various parts of the engine electrical systems?
Photographs / drawings ( / whatever) showing locations and names would be most helpful.
Also explanations of what the various components / bits do.
My car is a 1991 turbo auto with a B18FT-107 motor.
All info welcome.
Re: Engine Electrics
Got lots!
But define non-start a little more.
Will it crank?
Can you hear the fuel pump?
Checked for a spark?
But define non-start a little more.
Will it crank?
Can you hear the fuel pump?
Checked for a spark?
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Re: Engine Electrics
And it's got an auto box, so there's the possibility of a faulty P/N switch too (you can only start with the gear lever in park or neutral position)
Robert.
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Re: Engine Electrics
The questions asked, and info provided, by jifflemon and Brinkie (thank you gentlemen) led to this:
Connected a spare spark plug to the distributor, put gear selector to N and turned key to 'Start'. Engine spun over but no spark.
Same actions with P selected - same results.
Smelled petrol so assume fuel feeding correctly (?).
Made a cup of tea and checked Mr. Haynes notes. Persuaded that a visit to the local Volvo expert was in order.
Busy tomorrow so will arrange for Tuesday.
To be continued.
Connected a spare spark plug to the distributor, put gear selector to N and turned key to 'Start'. Engine spun over but no spark.
Same actions with P selected - same results.
Smelled petrol so assume fuel feeding correctly (?).
Made a cup of tea and checked Mr. Haynes notes. Persuaded that a visit to the local Volvo expert was in order.
Busy tomorrow so will arrange for Tuesday.
To be continued.
Re: Engine Electrics
but if the 'inhibitor' switch is faulty this could be the problem, not sure if it is on the box or on the gear lever?yorkievolvo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:02 pmThe questions asked, and info provided, by jifflemon and Brinkie (thank you gentlemen) led to this:
Connected a spare spark plug to the distributor, put gear selector to N and turned key to 'Start'. Engine spun over but no spark.
Same actions with P selected - same results.
Smelled petrol so assume fuel feeding correctly (?).
Made a cup of tea and checked Mr. Haynes notes. Persuaded that a visit to the local Volvo expert was in order.
Busy tomorrow so will arrange for Tuesday.
To be continued.
find switch and 'jumper-it'
that would be my first port of call
Alan
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Re: Engine Electrics
Auto inhibitor stops the starter motor engaging
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
Re: Engine Electrics
lets start with some basics:
now when you tested for a spark, did you test from the king lead, or a spark plug end? either way....
now when you tested for a spark, did you test from the king lead, or a spark plug end? either way....
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Re: Engine Electrics
Sorry, jifflemon, I didn't make it clear. It's a B18FT engine with Bosch EZ210K ignition.
The car's in the garage, has been started but ran for only a few seconds.
These bits have been requested:
full set of ignition leads (inc from coil to distributor),
ignition coil,
distributor cap,
flywheel sensor.
Going to post on 'Wanted'.
Thanks everybody.
The car's in the garage, has been started but ran for only a few seconds.
These bits have been requested:
full set of ignition leads (inc from coil to distributor),
ignition coil,
distributor cap,
flywheel sensor.
Going to post on 'Wanted'.
Thanks everybody.
Re: Engine Electrics
technically correct as the inhibit switch is in the feed to the solenoid
located on top of gear box for future reference :-0
Alan
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Re: Engine Electrics
Update.
Latest from garage reckons problem narrowed down to ' amplifier for the coil pack'.
I can't find that term in the Parts book, although there are a couple of 'control units' in the ignition circuit.
Does 'ampli...' mean anything to anybody?
Has anybody got a spare one for sale?
Latest from garage reckons problem narrowed down to ' amplifier for the coil pack'.
I can't find that term in the Parts book, although there are a couple of 'control units' in the ignition circuit.
Does 'ampli...' mean anything to anybody?
Has anybody got a spare one for sale?
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Re: Engine Electrics
Hopefully someone who is more in to Turbos than me (well I'm in to them but I just don't have one anymore!).
I think the coil (big canister thing) is quite expensive on those cars (like £100 compared to the N/A car's very cheap item shared with many other cars). The ignition module looks like it is available separately here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/909634208
I think the coil (big canister thing) is quite expensive on those cars (like £100 compared to the N/A car's very cheap item shared with many other cars). The ignition module looks like it is available separately here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/909634208
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
Re: Engine Electrics
Some odd misinformation here.
The turbo has just a cheap standard coil for transistorized ignition. The coil connects to 12V at ignition on. A small module, holding two transistors, is connected to the other spade on the coil and connects/disconnects to ground. The latter action causes a spark.
This module, call it an amplifier, is managed by a small signal from a transistor in the EZ210K.
A strange way of error finding by exchanging every part of the ignition system as far as it is visible. Maybe that's why the rotor isn't on the list. But just exchanging parts till the culprit is found seems common practice nowadays.
The process can easily be checked with a multimeter. The only way to blow the module is to directly connect it to 12V.
The turbo has just a cheap standard coil for transistorized ignition. The coil connects to 12V at ignition on. A small module, holding two transistors, is connected to the other spade on the coil and connects/disconnects to ground. The latter action causes a spark.
This module, call it an amplifier, is managed by a small signal from a transistor in the EZ210K.
A strange way of error finding by exchanging every part of the ignition system as far as it is visible. Maybe that's why the rotor isn't on the list. But just exchanging parts till the culprit is found seems common practice nowadays.
The process can easily be checked with a multimeter. The only way to blow the module is to directly connect it to 12V.
Too old to bother
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Re: Engine Electrics
Isn't this type in N/A car's much cheaper:
than this type on Turbo cars?:
That's all I'm saying really
than this type on Turbo cars?:
That's all I'm saying really
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
Re: Engine Electrics
Is this a reaction on my post or did you just have the urge to say something?
Too old to bother
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Re: Engine Electrics
I have an urge to say something
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)
Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)
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Re: Engine Electrics
Update.
Ref. my post of the 16thSEP.
... problem narrowed down to ' amplifier for the coil pack'.
Has anybody got a spare one for sale?
Still looking for this 'amplifier'.
New: electrician added: 4-pin type required.
Ref. my post of the 16thSEP.
... problem narrowed down to ' amplifier for the coil pack'.
Has anybody got a spare one for sale?
Still looking for this 'amplifier'.
New: electrician added: 4-pin type required.
Re: Engine Electrics
given what Robou has stated, can you not search 'tinternet' for the Bosch part number?yorkievolvo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:20 pmUpdate.
Ref. my post of the 16thSEP.
... problem narrowed down to ' amplifier for the coil pack'.
Has anybody got a spare one for sale?
Still looking for this 'amplifier'.
New: electrician added: 4-pin type required.
My SS1 runs a 'standardish' coil and has an 'amplifier-module' clagged onto the dizzy ,
in effect FOUR wires, and chassis
12V,
TWO from pick-up inside dizzy,
to low tension side of coil
earth, via the body of the amplifier
and it comes in two flavours, LUCAS & Bosch, depending on which dizzy .. . .
altough the amplifier on mine is now mounted on inner wing for easy access as it got an intermittant fault (AKA a bad connection)
try this link , can't go far wrong for < £5 . . . . .
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-440K-4 ... SwzWldi1od
Alan
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Re: Engine Electrics
Thanks Alan 480.
Ordered the item and should receive it by Friday.
On the road Saturday - hopefully.
Ordered the item and should receive it by Friday.
On the road Saturday - hopefully.
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Re: Engine Electrics
The saga continues.
The 'amplifier'(for the coil) didn't work so now the garage want a coil.
The Parts Catalogue says P/No.3460220-1 - does anybody disagree?
Here we go to e-bay, once more!
The 'amplifier'(for the coil) didn't work so now the garage want a coil.
The Parts Catalogue says P/No.3460220-1 - does anybody disagree?
Here we go to e-bay, once more!
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Re: Engine Electrics
Update
Trawled through e-bay. P/No. results NIL.
Coil results - many but with technical wordage added, e.g. 3amp ballast.
Reading Roubou's comment leads me to think that any 12v coil could be used with the amplifier.
Any comments?
Trawled through e-bay. P/No. results NIL.
Coil results - many but with technical wordage added, e.g. 3amp ballast.
Reading Roubou's comment leads me to think that any 12v coil could be used with the amplifier.
Any comments?