From an '80s Wedge to a '90s Soap bar...

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From an '80s Wedge to a '90s Soap bar...

Post by WillC9303 » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:26 pm

I'm aware most won't be interested in this, hence why it's going in 'The Wastegate' - Unfortunately there isn't really an owners network for 'these cars' aside from a few scammer-filled Facebook groups...

After 3 years of owning my 480 (and 2 years of daily-ing it) I've decided it is time to retire it from every day use. Due to my current situation, I am doing a lot of long motorway trips and thus, a lot of mileage. Compound this with the incoming winter months and increased need for something with 4 doors, my 480 was looking a little bit impractical for daily use.

I'd been looking for a cheap daily driver since the start of the summer and spent hours trawling on Auto Trader, Facebook Marketplace, C&C to no avail. Funny thing is, trying to find something cheap, interesting, good on fuel, easy to find parts for, comfortable, airconditioned, and well made all for £2000 is quite a tall order it turns out! In the end I ended up satisfying all those requirements (with the exception of perhaps, 'interesting'.) - A 2000 Audi A4 1.8 20v manual SE in Quartz Gray (AKA an early 2000s Slough-based Accountant's dream company car)

It has a few minor issues that come with a 25 year old car, but the headlines are: no rust, working A/C, no rattles of any sort on the interior and it drives spot-on. The best bit? It's a one-owner car from new and has been serviced every single year without fail at Audi Ipswich main dealer!

Oh and from only day 3 of ownership, mine now comes with the obligatory 'Illuminated EML light' that every VAG product from the late 90s to mid 00s seems to have nowadays. Will need to purchase a cheap OBD scanner for that.

While it is no doubt FAR better made, more comfortable, practical and well damped than the Volvo, It certainly isn't a driver's car. While the handling on these B5 generation A4s is pretty 'neat', it's certainly not sporty and I find myself slowing right down for corners and wafting along slightly below the speed limit. If you wanted to be really critical, it's a bit of a barge in that respect.

For the trim level nerds out there like me, It's a mid range 'SE'. In addition to standard spec, I believe this got you electric rear windows, a leather steering wheel, oil and voltmeter gauges, 'Driver Information System' (basically a less cool looking Info-centre), 16'' alloys, Climate Control and a 6-disc CD changer that is neatly hidden in the boot. Being a facelift, It has red ambient interior lighting, ellipsoidal 'xenon effect' headlights, touch sensitive electronic boot release buttons, front fog lights, puddle lights on all doors and a cupholder that pops-out of the dash.

The Volvo isn't going anywhere and will be a keeper for life. I'll still be taking it out in the spring/summer and to shows and meets. Plus, there are still many jobs to do - but they can wait until it gets warmer.

While it's not everyone's cup of tea, these first generation B5 A4s are getting quite scarce. They're comfortable, extremely well made and solid feeling. That being said, I do miss driving the Volvo already...

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Post by Jay-Kay-Em » Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:15 pm

Always interesting to see other peoples' car choices.

These just remind me of total BTCC domination in '96!

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When you look at todays styling nonsense I think they have aged gracefully.

I like that they still have some Audi traditions like a longitudinal engine (way out forwards) but front wheel drive. This does mean terrible understeer though!

My mate had a V6 back in the day. Nice car, well built. I just remember the front suspension forever clonking and knocking. They have a five link set up with a swan neck upright with an appetite for all the (many) ball joints.

20 years is my cut-off for classics. It's amazing what once was soap bar mundane, now becomes interesting.

I wish you all the best with it :cheers:
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Post by WillC9303 » Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Thanks Jay - glad to see you're still around on the forum even though your beautiful Turbo project is finally finished!
Jay-Kay-Em wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:15 pm
These just remind me of total BTCC domination in '96!
Even though I'm not old enough to remember 90s BTCC, there is no arguing how iconic the cars and their liveries are. The A4 is one of my favourite BTCC cars (just behind the epic 'Securicor' 850 Estates of course!). I love seeing pictures of them on two wheels with zero suspension travel!

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Jay-Kay-Em wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:15 pm
I like that they still have some Audi traditions like a longitudinal engine (way out forwards) but front wheel drive. This does mean terrible understeer though!
Indeed, the engine is longitudinal despite being FWD - I believe that was so they could easily adapt them for the AWD Quattro versions. And yes, understeer could be an issue. I haven't taken any fast corners so far, but it does feel front heavy on corners that a 480 would zip round without issue...
Jay-Kay-Em wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:15 pm
My mate had a V6 back in the day. Nice car, well built. I just remember the front suspension forever clonking and knocking. They have a five link set up with a swan neck upright with an appetite for all the (many) ball joints.
I did take a peek in the front wheel wells and it does look rather complicated down there! The trade-off however, is an utterly uncompromised ride. There is a slight squelching sound coming from the rear suspension over bumps though which will need to be investigated...
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Post by jifflemon » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:04 am

Time to crack out my favourite joke......

Volvo entered the 850 estate by mistake - They thought it was the British Towing Car Championship. :rofl:

It was actually a better choice aerodynamically than the saloon, (as this was pre cheating bloody alfa) and also, visually, terrifying to overtake as it seemed so much longer than a saloon!

As for the Audi, I'd start doing a little research to see where the common rot spots are and get some prevention done. 10 years ago, I was hunting my first 480 - Imagine if the then owners had done such maintenance?

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Post by WillC9303 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:37 am

jifflemon wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:04 am
Time to crack out my favourite joke......

Volvo entered the 850 estate by mistake - They thought it was the British Towing Car Championship. :rofl:
Not heard that one before actually :lol:
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As for the Audi, I'd start doing a little research to see where the common rot spots are and get some prevention done. 10 years ago, I was hunting my first 480 - Imagine if the then owners had done such maintenance
I’ve done some digging around online about rust spots and apparently these old B5s were exceptionally well protected body wise. From what I’ve been told, quality at VAG took a nose-dive around the time the B6 A4s rolled out. The only place they really commonly go are the bolt-on front wings (mine has started to bubble on the OS).

I’ve got some Lanoguard left over that I’ll spray as a precaution.
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Post by Martin63 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:45 pm

My second company car in 1996 was an A4 Will - ironically because Volvo had ceased production of the 480 the previous year.

It was absolutely fine. Definitely not exciting - but fine. Surprisingly I have not seen too many A4s around in recent years.

Enjoy it - definitely better for hacking up and down the motorways in than in your very nice Two Tone!



jifflemon wrote:
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Time to crack out my favourite joke......

Volvo entered the 850 estate by mistake - They thought it was the British Towing Car Championship. :rofl:
Not heard that one before actually :lol:
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Post by WillC9303 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:15 pm

Martin63 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:45 pm
My second company car in 1996 was an A4 Will - ironically because Volvo had ceased production of the 480 the previous year.
Interesting! I believe the A4s first went on sale in the UK around the time the 480 Celebrations were launched - meaning there was at least some crossover, albeit for only a few months.
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It was absolutely fine. Definitely not exciting - but fine. Surprisingly I have not seen too many A4s around in recent years.
That's exactly my take on it - a quality item but a more relaxing drive than an engaging one. While the 5-speed manual in mine is ultra-slick and light, I can't help but think a 4-speed slush box auto would have been more appropriate in a car like this.
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Post by Martin63 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:57 pm

My A4 was an N reg. I think I had to wait quite a few months for it. It was a mid 1996 one, but the 480s had definitely been gone for a few months.

I seem to recall that Volvo unfortunately weren't a preferred. There was a heavy preference for Vauxhall. A lot of my colleagues got Calibras and Fronteras. Within months they regretted their choices! I had a narrow escape with the Audi A4, which was definitely a decent car.

WillC9303 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:15 pm
Martin63 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:45 pm
My second company car in 1996 was an A4 Will - ironically because Volvo had ceased production of the 480 the previous year.
Interesting! I believe the A4s first went on sale in the UK around the time the 480 Celebrations were launched - meaning there was at least some crossover, albeit for only a few months.
Martin63 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:45 pm
It was absolutely fine. Definitely not exciting - but fine. Surprisingly I have not seen too many A4s around in recent years.
That's exactly my take on it - a quality item but a more relaxing drive than an engaging one. While the 5-speed manual in mine is ultra-slick and light, I can't help but think a 4-speed slush box auto would have been more appropriate in a car like this.
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Post by WillC9303 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:13 pm

Martin63 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:57 pm
There was a heavy preference for Vauxhall. A lot of my colleagues got Calibras and Fronteras.
I went in an early '90s Frontera many years ago and it felt closer to a tractor than a car. The dismal 2.3 diesel engine didn't help matters mind you...
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Post by Martin63 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:23 pm

WillC9303 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:13 pm
Martin63 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:57 pm
There was a heavy preference for Vauxhall. A lot of my colleagues got Calibras and Fronteras.
I went in an early '90s Frontera many years ago and it felt closer to a tractor than a car. The dismal 2.3 diesel engine didn't help matters mind you...
The Frontera and Calibra were both abysmal cars Will - within months of getting them the drivers all wanted rid of them
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Post by nicklee » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:26 pm

Nice Audi, Will, looks like a goodun!

But if only I'd known you were after a decent and different daily driver! I'm selling my Saab 9-3 saloon, which I've happily commuted in for the past five years: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156494672378.

Never missed a beat, as they say, plus it's Swedish. I'd happily have sent it your way, to live with those leather seats, ha. Ah well, wasn't to be!
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Post by WillC9303 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:55 pm

nicklee wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:26 pm
Nice Audi, Will, looks like a goodun!

But if only I'd known you were after a decent and different daily driver! I'm selling my Saab 9-3 saloon, which I've happily commuted in for the past five years: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156494672378.

Never missed a beat, as they say, plus it's Swedish. I'd happily have sent it your way, to live with those leather seats, ha. Ah well, wasn't to be!
Thanks Nick!
I remember briefly seeing your Saab when I came to pick up those seats off you some time ago. It looks a lovely example, low miles too!
I did briefly consider a 9-3, but was an instant non-starter as it wouldn't have fit in my available '70s build garage (was a requirement). The Audi only just squeezes in with no space to spare.
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Post by nicklee » Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:59 am

Ah yea, cars are huge now! Even the Saab feels small compared to most other stuff on the road. Not much interest in it, sadly, even though it's a little gem of a car. Perhaps more niche than I'd thought - I guess 480 ownership skews the norm! How long was your Audi on the market before you snapped it up?
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Post by WillC9303 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:26 pm

nicklee wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:59 am
Ah yea, cars are huge now! Even the Saab feels small compared to most other stuff on the road. Not much interest in it, sadly, even though it's a little gem of a car. Perhaps more niche than I'd thought - I guess 480 ownership skews the norm! How long was your Audi on the market before you snapped it up?
I was parked next to a 24 plate Vauxhall Corsa the other day in McDonalds car park and it looked massive compared to the A4. Car sizes are ridiculous nowadays.

I believe the Audi was for sale for around a month before I got to it. The seller had a few ‘interested’ people but I was the first to see the car.

Shame you are having trouble selling the Saab, looks a real gem. The car market (used, but especially new) is very depressed at the moment. Unfortunately depreciated premium marque saloons like old A4s and 9-3s are among the least desirable in times like these.

Then again, all it takes is one slightly eccentric buyer… :lol:
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Post by MisterH » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:39 pm

As you may know I have something of a thing for old Audis

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As such, if you want to be put in contact with Audi enthusiasts I can get you on some WhatsApp Groups (Club Audi has a free under 25s membership available I think)
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