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Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:35 pm
by jamescarruthers
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:53 pm
by WillC9303
Already secured a couple parts from this car that I've wanted for a while now. It's a shame to break such an early car, but it's absolutely rotten beyond belief. There's pictures of the what's left of the rear arches on the 480 UK Facebook group and it's way too far gone to realistically save. The rust extends all the way up to and around the fuel filler neck.
I think I've read somewhere on here a few times that the blue piped upholstery (which this one seems to have) is considerably rarer and more sought-after than the red piped and later multicolour velour's. I'm not interested in buying it as I already have the grey half leather in mine, but can anyone confirm that this is true or not?
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:12 pm
by dcwalker
IIRC the blue piping was on white (I had it in mine), silver and blue. The grey, red and black had the red piping.
I think the latter two in particular were more popular colours (the launch cars all being red had red piping) so overall I suspect more red piped interiors were produced than blue ones...
David
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:41 pm
by jamescarruthers
It’s good to know it’s rotten rather than wistfully looking at it in the advert!
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:05 am
by brinkie
This is a model year 1988 car with a later version of the B18E engine ECU: one that uses normally available NTC sensors.
Any owner of an early B18E engined car, which has an ECU that uses unobtainium PTC sensors should take notice. The ECU of this 1988 car should be a straight swap with one in a 1986/1987 car and then it's just a matter of swapping the sensors over.
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:48 pm
by davekit
James - Chassis no. for this is 528322, so later type of B18E as suggested above. The ECU is Bendix S101290101D, so only differs from mine and yours by last character. Is this really a later type ECU? Other number on label is 436507. He says it is working so I may well buy. Dave
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:19 am
by brinkie
Robert here
The change of ECU temperature sensors to NTC was at chassis no. 520281, before that PTC sensors were used. Both ECU are Fenix S 100620
What I
think are corresponding numbers:
p/n 9031281-0 for the PTC ECU according to the parts book
411921 and S100803 102C on the sticker, according to images of various breakers I've found online
p/n 9031282-8 for the NTC ECU (and 9031283-6 for the Swedish market - don't know what the difference is) according to the parts book
436507 and S101290 101-C on the sticker, according to images of various breakers I've found online
But it's best to check the unit in your car first. Although I'm pretty sure the car that's being broken has the later (NTC) ECU.
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:49 pm
by davekit
Hi Robert - Are you sure you have the sticker numbers the right way round? The reason for asking is they do not agree with the other information I have. I have now bought the ECU from the car in Norfolk which also seems to contradict the information!
My car ----- should be PTC - ch 513546 - Main sticker S101290101E / 436507 - Small sticker 90190
James's car should be PTC - ch 507274 - Main sticker S101290101E
Norfolk car should be NTC - ch 528322 - Main sticker S101290101D / 436507 - Small sticker 88 12
Your observation ----- PTC ---------------- Main sticker S100803102C / 411921
Your observation ----- NTC ---------------- Main sticker S101290101C / 436507
It looks to me as though the Norfolk car has possibly been changed to an early PTC unit. Is there a way of determining whether an ECU is Fenix 1 (PTC) or Fenix 3.2 (NTC) other than by the number? Is the number even reliable? Haynes says not to attach ANY test instrument to the terminals!
Thanks.
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:23 pm
by brinkie
It doesn't make sense, E577 UEX has been registered June 1988 and serial number 528322 is way past the change of PTC to NTC sensors. It should have an NTC sensor ECU.
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:57 am
by jifflemon
davekit wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:49 pm
Hi Robert - Are you sure you have the sticker numbers the right way round? The reason for asking is they do not agree with the other information I have. I have now bought the ECU from the car in Norfolk which also seems to contradict the information!
My car ----- should be PTC - ch 513546 - Main sticker S101290101E / 436507 - Small sticker 90190
James's car should be PTC - ch 507274 - Main sticker S101290101E
Norfolk car should be NTC - ch 528322 - Main sticker S101290101D / 436507 - Small sticker 88 12
Your observation ----- PTC ---------------- Main sticker S100803102C / 411921
Your observation ----- NTC ---------------- Main sticker S101290101C / 436507
It looks to me as though the Norfolk car has possibly been changed to an early PTC unit. Is there a way of determining whether an ECU is Fenix 1 (PTC) or Fenix 3.2 (NTC) other than by the number? Is the number even reliable? Haynes says not to attach ANY test instrument to the terminals!
Thanks.
Did you buy the sensors from him too?
Re: Old one being broken in Norfolk
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:17 am
by davekit
I tried to buy the sensors, so I could assess what was attached - but they may not have been correct either! In the end I couldn't get them, so no joy there either. Dave