Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

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Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Helmert3 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:51 pm

Just noticed this one had popped up for sale. Looks nice but long ol' list of MOT issues with it. Thought id drop a link and photos for anyone that might be interested.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 629296399/

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Norm57 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:59 pm

This wedge also on Facebook. The owner has been quoted a crazy price to get it roadworthy,something in the region of£1500 if I recall.

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Jay-Kay-Em » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:09 pm

All fairly standard 480 failure items, but the stand out item for me is the dense blue smoke at idle :shock:

I guess that quote includes some engine surgery?

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by MisterH » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:14 pm

Shame, looks stunning, but then, TTs ususally do
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Post by jifflemon » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:16 pm

As I commented on Facebook....

Sound like an overly zealous MOT test to me.

Last 3 years the only advisory had been a sight blow from the exhaust.

Suddenly, every brake pipe is rotten, the whole underbody has rusted away and the engine is self destructing.....

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Helmert3 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:22 pm

Someone needs to send the White eBay 480 (Now at a pretty £2800) over to that tester, I dont know if they'd survive the shock. :rofl:

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by MisterH » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:38 pm

Helmert3 wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:22 pm
Someone needs to send the White eBay 480 (Now at a pretty £2800) over to that tester, I dont know if they'd survive the shock. :rofl:
Speaking of shocks, did you hear the story of the classic dealership unlucky enough to be selling a TT on the day the club was in town?
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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Helmert3 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:41 pm

I cant say I have.

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Post by MisterH » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:42 pm

Helmert3 wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:41 pm
I cant say I have.
I unfortunately wasn't there, but it made for fantastic reading:

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by 100 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:26 am

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that you could get a 2.0 in a TT, when I 'only' had the 1.7! Not that I would swap my car now of course... just maybe the engine... :D
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Post by dcwalker » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:50 pm

100 wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:26 am
I was a bit disappointed when I found out that you could get a 2.0 in a TT, when I 'only' had the 1.7! Not that I would swap my car now of course... just maybe the engine... :D
:lol: the original object of the exercise was to produce a limited edition model to use up the remaining 1.7 engines. But it proved popular so Volvo kept making them, and like all other ES models it moved on to the 2.0i (leaving the 1.7 engine to just the S model).

This also ended any pretence that it was a limited edition, since there ended up being quite a lot of them!

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Alan 480 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:57 pm

no mention of parking brake failure?
see use of brick. :hopping:

it does seem a very long list of 'normal' faults, if it has been sitting then the blue smoke could just be sticky rings?

The red one has been sitting now since March 2020 and SS1 since Oct 2019 , so lord knows what the emissions on them are going to be like :?

at least the SS1 is pre-cat so a few less potential issues?
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Post by Jay-Kay-Em » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:18 pm

Alan 480 wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:57 pm
if it has been sitting then the blue smoke could just be sticky rings?
Difficult to say isn't it? I never had these Renault engines down as big oil burners, I thought they were pretty bomb proof?

You could do a cylinder leakage test? Or perhaps get a borescope and check if everything is honed ok?

Either way, the conclusion is never good financially. The cat will be chocked - they don't like excessive hydrocarbons and it needs one for an MoT on a '93. A type approved cat is £100 straight off the bat.

Shame because I love a TT - Oli "100" has some really good pictures in his diary.

I had an old Citroen AX a good few years ago and that got the same failure "blue smoke at idle". Sadly that was the last MoT station visit E844TKG ever had.... for that very reason...

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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by MisterH » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:59 pm

Jay-Kay-Em wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:18 pm
Alan 480 wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:57 pm
if it has been sitting then the blue smoke could just be sticky rings?
Difficult to say isn't it? I never had these Renault engines down as big oil burners, I thought they were pretty bomb proof?

You could do a cylinder leakage test? Or perhaps get a borescope and check if everything is honed ok?

Either way, the conclusion is never good financially. The cat will be chocked - they don't like excessive hydrocarbons and it needs one for an MoT on a '93. A type approved cat is £100 straight off the bat.

Shame because I love a TT - Oli "100" has some really good pictures in his diary.

I had an old Citroen AX a good few years ago and that got the same failure "blue smoke at idle". Sadly that was the last MoT station visit E844TKG ever had.... for that very reason...
The 2.0 was a Volvo unit I seem to remember, not Renault, but yeah still bomb proof
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Post by Jay-Kay-Em » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:59 pm

MisterH wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:59 pm
The 2.0 was a Volvo unit I seem to remember, not Renault, but yeah still bomb proof
Are you sure? My understanding is all 400 petrols are loosely based on Renault F3 or F4 petrols.

Are you thinking of the 300.... where only the two litre had the Volvo engined B200 (a reduced capacity B21 red block, badged 360GLT) instead of the 1.4 and 1.7 Renault lumps?

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Post by dragonflyjewels » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:43 am

As it's an L reg, same as my beloved Snazzy, I'm wondering if it's also got a smokey red dipstick engine. If so blue smoke is nothing to get concerned about, just needs to be thoroughly warmed up before the mot, although I believe Mr Pedantic does a few minor adjustments before and after.
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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by MisterH » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:33 am

Jay-Kay-Em wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:59 pm
MisterH wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:59 pm
The 2.0 was a Volvo unit I seem to remember, not Renault, but yeah still bomb proof
Are you sure? My understanding is all 400 petrols are loosely based on Renault F3 or F4 petrols.

Are you thinking of the 300.... where only the two litre had the Volvo engined B200 (a reduced capacity B21 red block, badged 360GLT) instead of the 1.4 and 1.7 Renault lumps?
Many of the sources I have read have said something along the line of: "the underpowered Renault unit was later replaced by a 2.0 Volvo unit"

This piece of info has proliferated all over the place, doesn't mean it's right though
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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by jamescarruthers » Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:52 pm

2.0 is just a bored out 1.7. Simples. Car journalism is mostly lazy, poorly researched rubbish.
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Re: Volvo 480 - 2.0 TT 93' (Facebook)

Post by Alan 480 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:07 pm

jamescarruthers wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:52 pm
2.0 is just a bored out 1.7. Simples. Car journalism is mostly lazy, poorly researched rubbish.
and sadly lots of the 'cross reference charts' are also guilty.

nobody will correct them either cos the 'computer is always correct'

we get same issue with front discs on an SS1, every ruddy book insists they are Metro discs, but they are bespoke, the calipers ARE metro, hence the obvious conclusion

I'm also intriged by Sylvia's comments about the tweaks, might need some pointers :-)
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