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Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:42 am
by MisterH
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1168813

Takes the recent theme of 'asking all the money' to dizzying new heights :eek:

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:51 am
by jamescarruthers
Epic feelings of want

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:08 pm
by WRDendy
Looks familiar!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35643

So it's done 16km since it was sold last year and gained £14,675 in value! :lol:

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:57 pm
by MisterH
jamescarruthers wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:51 am
Epic feelings of want
But what would you do with it? If it can't be driven and enjoyed, and your not a museum, I do fail to see the point.
Didn't I also see that someone said it lacked a VIN so couldn't be legal anyway?

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:16 pm
by dcwalker
MisterH wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:57 pm
jamescarruthers wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:51 am
Epic feelings of want
But what would you do with it? If it can't be driven and enjoyed, and your not a museum, I do fail to see the point.
Didn't I also see that someone said it lacked a VIN so couldn't be legal anyway?
Absolutely!

Leaving aside the VIN query would you ever drive it? If not, then it is just a very expensive ornament...since I am not a museum, and I don't have somewhere to store it in the hope that in another few years it will be worth a further several thousand pounds AND a buyer is out there, I think I'll pass on this one (lovely as it does, of course, look...)

David

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:46 pm
by brinkie
Bump to an old topic. I've asked the seller if it could be registered. Their response: there are no registration papers and registration would probably be difficult, but why on earth would you want to drive it, as it has only 77 km and you would like to stay it that way.

Dutch 480 enthusiasts recall that it has been tried before to get the car registered and Volvo firmly said "No", because the car is officially scrapped. The car was a prototype with a Volvo 340 driver's seat, someone must have installed a new and correct interior somewhere in history.

TL;DR: Will probably remain for sale forever.

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:45 pm
by Murf
I'm sure you could register it in the UK if you really tried. I've read of cars that have a VIN number stamped on after it's been imported and the DVLA are happy with that.
Failing that could you put it through an SVA test like a kit car?

Still far too expensive for all of that effort though 🙄

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:10 pm
by brinkie
In the UK you can try a single vehicle approval and a Q-plate if all else fails.

In The Netherlands you can't, because for registration without registration papers you need the help of the manufacturer or importer, and Volvo will tell the authorities that the car has never been registered and has officially been scrapped. Maybe you can get it registered as a new vehicle, which will require you to pay a lot of tax. Think of the same amount of tax as the car is currently offered for, plus 21% VAT.
There are documented cases where a car got a new VIN, but that was because the original VIN wasn't readable anymore. No registration papers and no known previous registration means no registration, period.

Unless you're a Volvo collector, it's a very expensive paperweight...

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:57 am
by jamescarruthers
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Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:57 pm
by Alan 480
I assume the 220km/h is using a frequency generator? :hopping:

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:20 am
by 100
jamescarruthers wrote:
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I take serious issue with this James.

You can't take a 480 on a dead straight road, it needs corners!

Re: Pre-Production car for sale in Belgium

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:17 am
by brinkie
100 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:20 am
I take serious issue with this James.

You can't take a 480 on a dead straight road, it needs corners!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: it does!

Seriously, I know quite a few cars that got a new identity this way. Some were "educational" cars, Volvo donated them to schools, the cars were completely new and unused but didn't have a registration, so one from a scrap car was used. I even came across a car that got a new identity to have its registration date before 1988, which will make it very cheap in tax in The Netherlands (for a Volvo 480: € 100 a year instead of € 400).

But if you are going to buy *this* car for its current asking price and give it a new identity, it will immediately lose value. You could have done that when it was auctioned off for less than 5000 pounds two and a half years ago, you only needed to find a crusty early car and swap its VIN. But now it has changed hands twice and its sale price quadrupled, that would just kill off the value because you can't prove the low mileage anymore. It would be purely for your own satisfaction to drive a "new" Volvo 480 ES, with all the faults and teething problems that came with a pre-production car, many components will have aged badly just from having sat in a collection for years and good quality replacements are nigh on impossible to find.