make 2.0i quicker

Benji · Post by **Benji** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:51 pm

Well we all make mistakes dave, never made a misjudgement?

Turnipman · Post by **Turnipman** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:39 pm

I bet can't hurt though, sounds like a good mod to do. If it was a straight forward swap then i would do it. Lets get some pictures together and compare the two side by side.

Has anybody had or has there ever been a ECU mod for the 2litre?

Turnipman

dbsvolvos · Post by **dbsvolvos** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:27 pm

ok benji , i was only joking !!!!!

Benji · Post by **Benji** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:31 pm

I hoped you was.

They have the wrong answer to road safety, i had a cracking week in hospital with some stunning nurses, including a real cutie called lucy who made the best mug of horlicks in the world.

I dont intend to let the 480 meet the same end as the puma did, i was lucky that time.

Ben Harris · Post by **Ben Harris** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:40 pm

So... what was the verdict for the 1.7 exhaust manifold, on the 2-litre? As I'm about to replace the inlet and exhaust manifold gaskets on my 2-litre, and I know there's a 1.7 at the scrapyard near me, now might be the ideal time to test this out. Does anyone know if it's a straightforward swap? If it is, then I'll be heading down to the scrapyard on saturday!

Which bits would I want to swap? I assume by exhaust manifold, you only mean the bit labeled 23. Would there be any advantage to swapping any of the inlet manifold bits too?

Actually - the ports going into the manifold look different - squared on the B20F and oval on the B18E.

Pics of the B20F (top) and B18E (middle) and B18EP (bottom) exhaust system:

Ben.

Ettore Bugatti · Post by **Ettore Bugatti** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:56 pm

looks light the 2litre manifold is from cast iron and the 1.7 from tubular tubes.
Looks like you would need the downpipe as well. The 3 (of the 6) holes are on the B20 (item 3) on a staright line and on the B18 (item 2) not

Ben Harris · Post by **Ben Harris** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:06 pm

I see what you mean. The downpipe on the B18E looks like it merges from 2 into 1 smoother too (I assume this would be a good thing!). Would tubular steel be better than cast iron, or doens't it make a difference? I asssume it's more to do with the was the air flows, than what it's made of?

Do you really think I would I actually see any performance improvement?

The B18EP has a different exhaust layout again! I'll add a picture to my previous post.

Ben.

Ettore Bugatti · Post by **Ettore Bugatti** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:31 pm

Well, I do agree that the material should matter, but the B20f manifold has runners with a smaller radius then the B18E one and I think( if the B20 is cast iron) the surface of the B18E manifold is smoother.
Hmmm looking at the pics B20, B18E and B18EP I will guess the downpipes are the same. Pictures aren't accurate!
I believe the B18 EP/FP is an improved B18E due to problems with the B18E ECU and the legisation of catalysators. Dont think the manifold sare differents unless Volvo could gain a few cents by installing an different one.
This just make me wonders what manifolds are just on the B18K (carb one) and the B18U(SPI)

just my 2 cents

Turnipman · Post by **Turnipman** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:16 am

I would like to see this get done, if you are faced with the opportunity to have go why not take it. All you need is the 1.7 exhaust manifold and a friendly mechanic preferably and machine friend to fuck around with it for while and see what happens

If you are spanner minded then choose a nice weekend and get dirty my son.

I feel sure that the 2.0 has more horses kicking around in there, there just has to be you can't have a 2.0 with 110 BHP that blows.

Can rpruen do a ECU mod to keep all us 2.0 boys happy....... PPPPPlease.

Turnipman

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:48 am

There is one ecu mod for the ES which Richard made and it's on B18EP engine (480es) which i'm buying from MatBat.

I know he thought it made the top end power better, maybe he can fill you in if it's worth it.

Ettore Bugatti · Post by **Ettore Bugatti** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:39 pm

Well, I remembered rpruen didn't think an ECU mod on ES was worth the trouble.
But if you have the non-turbo B18 with LH-tronic he would be the man to do it.

Or you buy yourself an EPROM burner

Turnipman · Post by **Turnipman** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:35 pm

Super out of my deoth here, eproms not my game. I am sure the is something to be had from getting the ECU modded but at superchip prices of
Â£300 its just not worth the trouble.

If rpruen could do a mod for not a great cost then its an experiment that might be worth doing. Plus its all acumalitve with mods for the 2.0litre it all adds up.

Fook crazy at work ahhhh

Tunripman

Jamo · Post by **Jamo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:13 pm

Turnipman wrote:Super out of my deoth here, eproms not my game. I am sure the is something to be had from getting the ECU modded but at superchip prices of
Â£300 its just not worth the trouble.

If rpruen could do a mod for not a great cost then its an experiment that might be worth doing. Plus its all acumalitve with mods for the 2.0litre it all adds up.

Fook crazy at work ahhhh

Tunripman

Thing is your not really going to get the same gains from ECU chipping on a NA car comapred to the turbo, maybe 10 15 max bhp from an 2ltr chip

Even Rica dropped their NA chips for the 480 as it wasn't worth it.

It really needs engine work, custom cams, better exhaust system etc etc and even then your not talking massive figures

Turnipman · Post by **Turnipman** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:49 pm

I understand that without the turbo the ecu mod wont show huge increases in BHP but if Rpruen could do a mod for 10BHP at Â£80 than that becomes a more cost effective mod than say a sports exhaust at Â£300 for maybe 5BHP.

I don't again understand cams and all that comes with that but if the BHP can out weight costs then its all good.

Just trying to get my head around the Volvo 2.0litre engine and its distinct lake of power, or maybe it isn't lacking power considering its 10 years old its only 8 valves etc etc

I guess if you want real power go get a 480T, but if you don't want a turbo try to accumulate power from a plethora of mods???

Tman

atex61 · Post by **atex61** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:55 pm

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Turnipman · Post by **Turnipman** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:10 pm

Yeah was just reading the

one for the techys - additional fuel rail

and it axplains it a bit more in there. So lets scrap the idea for ECU mod and look at what there is left:

Sports exhaust 4BHP(+sounds cool) Â£300
Cone Filter 1BHP(+sounds cool) Â£30
Exhaust Manilfold 10BHP ish Under Â£50 if lucky
Cams 25BHP (Â£300)
Super unleaded 4BHP
Losing Weight Gona help but with times.
And buying a Turbo Mucho power for under Â£800 for good one.

As much as i hate to say it turbo has to be the option of options.

Tman

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:14 pm

Turbo power

Get a T25 and the Richard mod and some spare parts because things do start to break but hey we knew this b4 the mod was done.

Jamo · Post by **Jamo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:26 pm

martinholmesuk wrote:Turbo power

Get a T25 and the Richard mod and some spare parts because things do start to break but hey we knew this b4 the mod was done.

You do know that T25 is a one off?

I personally designed the specification of it from paper. Turbo sales man was well impressed with it.

Where was Rpuen when i had a 480? probably would have kept it as a 2nd car

chris1roll · Post by **chris1roll** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:39 pm

Turnipman wrote:Yeah was just reading the

one for the techys - additional fuel rail

and it axplains it a bit more in there. So lets scrap the idea for ECU mod and look at what there is left:

Sports exhaust 4BHP(+sounds cool) Â£300
Cone Filter 1BHP(+sounds cool) Â£30
Exhaust Manilfold 10BHP ish Under Â£50 if lucky
Cams 25BHP (Â£300)
Super unleaded 4BHP
Losing Weight Gona help but with times.
And buying a Turbo Mucho power for under Â£800 for good one.

As much as i hate to say it turbo has to be the option of options.

Tman

And advance the timing on the crankshaft position sensor

Ettore Bugatti · Post by **Ettore Bugatti** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:27 pm

160 HP from 110 HP for Â£700

dont think so...
The cam would not gain 25BHP but only 10 and Super unleaded fuel doesn't give 4HP more 1 a 2 HP

with these mods you will have 140 HP at best