What sort of BHP can i expect from a richmod?

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What sort of BHP can i expect from a richmod?

Post by bkf_uk » Wed May 06, 2009 10:03 pm

Right , having recently seen numerous posts asking what sort of power a richmod can make, ect, ect.

I have decied to post a copy of my Dyno (Rolling Road) Results so people can see what can be achived.

My 1994 blue ecu 440 is totaly standard apart from the richmod, it is using the stock t2 turbo, stock MAF,stock injectors running at approximatly 15psi boost (standard richmod setting). Please bear in mind my 440 is an automatic therefore manuals might produce more power.

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As standard these engines produced

120 bhp @ 5000 RPM
129.1 lbs/ft @2400 RPM

Mine produced :-

167.8 bhp @ 5365 RPM
170 lbs/ft @ 4695 RPM

I hope this helps answer any future questions, Plese feel free to add your own Dyno (Rolling Road) results.
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Post by richj » Wed May 06, 2009 11:40 pm

so thats 120bhp at 3750rpm?

seems absolutely perfect for every day driving!

do you have a 1/4 mile time????

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Post by B18FT - LOVER » Sun May 10, 2009 11:55 am

Yeah but thats 120 bhp on old engine b4 modded ecu mate.. It's now a impressive 167 bhp now thats perfect every day driving hp lol...

Any way since this topic was started only in may - this month maybe some one can explain where i can get this mod carried out, i don't want to pm rich direct as i dont want to invade his space, so if any one else here can help then im all ears..

Thanks people, rob...

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Post by Sieger » Sun May 10, 2009 7:48 pm

mine did 161m3 bhp and 125 wheelpower with an crappy fuelpump and a bigger turbo @ 0.7 bar

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Post by Robou » Sun May 10, 2009 10:06 pm

The diagram and the explanation underneath make me wonder.

First of all, the diagram. The curve for the torque reaches 170 lbs/ft at 4700 rpm in an almost straight line from 100 and than drops from there in a steep line. This is very poor, it should go steep up to 2500 rpm, hold approximatly that value till say 4500 rpm and than gradually go down. The diagram shows this car has no power at lower revs which makes it need a lot of shifting.

Then the absolute values. A dyno measures at the wheels, not the engine. The applied software puts out the figures. The dyno operators can manipulate the software, and almost always do so, in order to please the customer. This is why a dyno is a perfect means to tune a car because one can compare the outputs between changes made, but less than perfect for true values.

What we see here is a claim about a engine power measured. This can not be true, only the wheel power can be measured. For the customer's sake a loss is measured. How? The loss is in the gearbos, the differential and the wheels on the dyno. And the figure is huge, 74 HP. Accepted is a loss between 15% and 20%. Now back to the only value that really can be measured: Wheel power, 94 HP. Assuming a loss of 20% gives a engine power of 118 HP, which is the standard output.

When one looks at the diagram, it shows values "corr", which means corrected. Corrected by what or whom? Air density or -pressure or -temperature? I bet by the operator who manipulated the software.

Now, Brian Ford, don't panic, your car will no doubt put out more than 118 HP, because you are obviously very pleased with it, and you wouldn't if this figure were true. But I think you chose the wrong example to convince people of the benefits of the mod.

I have a incomplete "Richmod" and it brings 220NM between 2500 and 5000 rpm with a top of 250 NM at 4200 rpm and about 150 HP between 4200 rpm and 5400 rpm. For the Enlish: 1 NM equals 0,7376 footpound. Assuming 15% loss this means a little over 175 HP engine power.

My "Richmod" is incomplete, because no changes were made to the microprocessor and the bin for the eprom is slightly different, but I trust the original "Richmod" will bring at least the figures mentioned.
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Post by bkf_uk » Sun May 10, 2009 11:08 pm

As has been said above, my volvo is an automatic, therfore i lose alot of torque via the "torque converter"

A torque converter cannot achieve 100 percent coupling efficiency.The classic torque converter has an efficiency curve that resembles an inverted "U": zero efficiency at stall, generally increasing efficiency during the acceleration phase and low efficiency in the coupling phase. The loss of efficiency as the converter enters the coupling phase is a result of the turbulence and fluid flow interference generated by the stator, and as previously mentioned, is commonly overcome by mounting the stator on a one-way clutch.

Therefore there are a large amouts of loss via my gearbox, a manual would have a much smother torque / bhp curve!

Hope that someone ca confirm what i have said, as im no expert with automatics, this is my first and last auto!

Also said above was could anyone else put up there results, as my car is not the ideal subject for dyno testing, as i have to let the box shift to top and then gently apply power until it wont hit the kickdown!
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Post by chriskay » Mon May 11, 2009 3:23 pm

Here's my dyno chart. 480 turbo auto. January 09.
Richmod. 71000 miles. Although it's an auto, I find I use it manually a lot; I want to decide what gear to be in. At the same time, it's so relaxing in traffic.
Note that no attempt has been made to compute flywheel figures, which I understand is particularly difficult with autos.
I find the torque comes in very smoothly from about 3000 RPM
The torque curve is in ft-lbs & the peak converts to 235 n-m
I'd appreciate any expert comments, since I haven't a clue how to read these things. I'm delighted with the Richmod; I understand it normally produces 170/175 flywheel BHP. If that's the case, I'm losing 30-35 at the wheels, which seems OK to me.
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Post by Snabbe » Mon May 11, 2009 8:02 pm

A richmod? What? what is that? Bleedvalve?

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Post by bkf_uk » Mon May 11, 2009 8:04 pm

Remapped ecu done by a forum member named rpruen. only turbo's though
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Post by Snabbe » Mon May 11, 2009 8:09 pm

Thanks for enlighting me. :D

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Post by Ettore Bugatti » Mon May 11, 2009 8:42 pm

As said automatics do have slip so that influence the results a bit.
Besides the amount of loss depends on the drive train and the rolling road. How much the road is braking is also determing what the car can put on the particular rolling road.
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Post by B18FT - LOVER » Tue May 12, 2009 6:32 am

So that second graph (above) is also a automatic... Thats impressive results, what other mods do you have mate or is it just a rich mod you have..

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Post by chriskay » Tue May 12, 2009 9:35 am

B18FT - LOVER wrote:So that second graph (above) is also a automatic... Thats impressive results, what other mods do you have mate or is it just a rich mod you have..
Yes, it's an auto. I don't know how the operator got it so smooth, much smoother than other auto charts I've seen. Just the Richmod, but also the low mileage may be helping.
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Post by B18FT - LOVER » Tue May 12, 2009 6:23 pm

That is very impressive mate, mines just turned 100k but has full history and regular oil changes etc, I'd be happy with 170 bhp :)

50 bhp gain for £100, "I'd buy that for a dollar" lol....

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Post by dave r5 » Wed May 13, 2009 9:18 am

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thats mine a non richmod ecu gt28 rs turbo stock injectors


as u can see it needed lots more fuell this was at 1 bar

cant wait to get dta standalone management
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Post by yknot » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:10 pm

i'm interested to know what bhp result with t25+richmod at 1bar
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Post by ted clutch » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:59 pm

as a very rough guide not taking inefficiency into account double the pressure double the power (pv=nrt).atmospheric pressure of a na engine =14.7 psi(1bar). so 100 hp na roughly 200 hp at 14psi boost.(minus volumetric efficiency and heat loss probably about 20hp).i would guess about 180hp ish at 1.2 bar.

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Post by dave r5 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:05 pm

ted thats verry technical lol
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Post by ted clutch » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:20 pm

did thermofluid dynamics at uni :lol:
the best thing for a turbo is a very good intercooler.hot air wastes power and boost pressure and raises cylinder temperature for knocking and piston melting.also wrapping the exhaust manifold in heat wrap makes the turbo more efficient as the gasses cool down on the way out.

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Post by dave r5 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:28 pm

agreed very much so
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