Evry1's Help + Opinion

[mutchy]

Right here goes, i have just recently bought a clio with the B18ft engine fitted, at the moment its running 12psi on standard ecu etc only thing it has is a Fiesta Rs Turbo actuator, its seems to pull really good low down but runs out of steam rather Quickly so well the weathers bad am going to take it off the road an carry out all the mods that i want to do.

So basicly i want more power, from reading topics on here ive learnt that larger turbo , injectors, cam + Remap is the way to go

The power am really aiming at is between 230 - 250 bhp is this possible by just doing the above things if not point me in the right direction plz.

Al let you people know what i have in mind so people opinions and views on the below items would be a great help!!

T3 off a saab 900/9000 believe 1 of these will do the trick, i know there a lil bit of modification needed to get it 2 fit , but with a lil help from people on here am sure al get it sorted lol if any1 believes this is the wrong choice then what should i go for?

Bosch 803 green cossie injectors 330cc , am abit wairy as to what to go for were it concerns injectors as am not well up on cc flows + spray patterns so an help here would be great if you believe that these arnt th right 1's to go 4 with me wanting 230 +bhp, thn plz let me kno!!


Ive been looking on previous post and havnt really learnt much on cams to be honest lol so advice is needed ???

I believe Rich is the man to see wen ecu's are involved , am sure there wont be many arguments there lol

so thats it really , note its early hours in mornin so if my spellings off its because am shattered , hope ppl can help me here

thanks MUTCHY

[Ettore Bugatti]

If you want to put different injector you need to modify the ECU or the airflow mass sensor. Sadly it would be diffucult or impossible to get Richard Pruen super mod (what you basically want)
The injectors of a Volvo 940 turbo fits straight in(do the search)
I think there are better alternatives for the T3 turbo although these options require more work to fit. (T25, T25G, T28,GT22).

My recipe for +/-240hp would be:
- over 20psi
- big turbo
- correct fueling and ignition
- big bore exhaust
- better intercooling
- bit of gasflowing and porting (matching manifolds etc.)
- hot cam

[mutchy]

i purchased a 3bar map sensor off a cossie , i was told to get 1 by rich so i assume he wud do the rest from there with the remap etc, correct me if im wrong though lol

[Yossarian]

Is 250bhp through the front wheels of a Clio really manageable?

I'd spend money making it about 200bhp and the rest making it handle that power.

Even Abbot tuned 9000s with 250bhp chew through gear boxes and tyres, cars designed to take that sort of power.

[mutchy]

that why i have been on the prawl for an lsd but it seems to me the only option is quaife , get some decent track tyres and them am sure she wunt be to bad , the fun will be worth it lol

[esta]

Is 250bhp through the front wheels of a Clio really manageable?.

Is it FWD? RU MAD??

[gltease]

Is 250bhp through the front wheels of a Clio really manageable?.

Is it FWD? RU MAD??

ever driven a T5 esta?

[eEm]

The V70R was lovely in a straight line but torque steer was apalling and it never put enough power to the rear. Pointless having that much power to the front and that was only 230hp. Mate of mine had a R5gtt with 140hp 205tires wheighing about 700kgs and he just spun the wheels up in 3rd gear.

[greasy mits]

Is 250bhp through the front wheels of a Clio really manageable?.

Is it FWD? RU MAD??

hell yeah anything is managable esta gonn start buildin my turbo lump up soon and i wont be happy unless its over 230 pushing towards 250 bhp then it will have 50 shot of gas on top for speacil occasions lmao

[Yossarian]

As I said, some FWD are designed to handle high amounts of power, but the Renault Clio isn't one. I'd say the 480 isn't either.

I certainly wouldn't dismiss a 180 odd bhp 480 on brilliant tyres, at all, but 250bhp on a Renault Clio is a recipe for insane scrabbling and stupid understeer. Unless it's a Clio V6. Then we're talking.

Note: I am not criticising; just my opinion, and I'd happily eat these very words if you end up creating some scrabble free 10 second Clio!

[bkf_uk]

anything over 200bhp and the 400 series (i say that as i have never driven a 480 but own a 440) starts to understeer like a bitch with that sort of power (mines crap on just a standard richmod! cant take corners at all) plus the wheels will just eat the tyres from wheelspin, you just wont get enough grip. And i doubt a clio chassis will take that amount of punishment without some major strenghtening and it's going to chomp through driveshafts! not saying it's impossible just hard work!

And as for N2O, bye bye tyres and drivetrain! they will not take that punishment! clutches will die and gearboxes will disintergrate.

However prove me wrong and i shall bow down in awe!

[Ettore Bugatti]

A Quaife LSD will help to manage the power. Also putting heavy 17" tyres with 205mm wide tyres will limited spinning of the wheels due to a little bit more grip and the increased inertia.

[mutchy]

lol iv'e already thought alot about putting the power down i have a few ideas, this is starting to go off topic , i need help with getting the power to around the 250 mark , can any1 help plz?

[esta]

I was always under the impression that 200+bhp on the front wheels was just dicing with death!! I am not doubting you can do it, as one forum member reckoend his 480 was pushing over 200. Personally I would want that sort of power in a RWD format.

Besides, RWD is so much more fun! Do something different and convert to RWD

[yknot]

ok, let's say i have some friends with +200hp fwd:
- 1)1.7t r5gtt forged pistons, sds ecu, ceramic clutch, ultra light wheigtened, drivetrain, brakes, etc (about 250hp)... when i drove it on a track the car is insane behaving like on ice but manageable on straight line.... but i will never drive that car on the street.
-2) 2.0t c20let on opel kadett chasis, major upgrade on engine, turbo, ecu management, gearbox, drivetrain, etc (about 300hp) very difficult to reduce wheelspin and start from 0km/h... with start launched he defeat stock STI...
-3) few another
so.... it is a matter of taste how much power do you want to deal(fwd or rwd) and how big are your balls

[esta]

and how big are your balls

Just want to clarify - it ISNT true!! I DONT have balls!!!

Anyway...not disagreeing with you at all, was just asking! Personally RWD is more fun IMHO, so for me its prob just an excuse to get my RWD on the road!!

[greasy mits]

i think you lot are rather borin you all go on about how 180 bhp is alot i know loads of people that are runnin over 250bhp in front wheeldrive cars without problems like you lot are going on about anything if done properley is managable but no one on here wants to grow a pair of balls and try it

[martinholmesuk]

imo

You can have 200bhp + on FWD if done right. What about a Renault 5 GT turbo / Volvo c30 FWD / Saab fwd ect.

youtube is full of FWD screamers

Tracs / or even Richards ECU mod which has a system to reduce wheel spin.

Even on my e30 RWD BMW with 170bhp and whatever torque I can spin the wheels in the dry and in the wet it's murder lol.

Vader on the supermod must have been near the 200 mark and it was wheel spin if you booted it but if driving non twat like then it was fine.

However RWD is more fun imo

[JohnTurbo]

250bhp fwd is good for a laugh sure. RWD is always gonna own it on a track, but that doesn't mean its not worth doing.

My 13second 400bhp skyline got its ass kicked by a fwd corsa c20let+gas runing low 12s down the strip.

Don't forget rich's 325+ bhp 480 - though he did crash it!

[greasy mits]

my mates fwd escort cab is runnin 267 bhp and he pissed over a skyline down pod at usc sp how is fwd no gd for big power

who dares wins