High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

For those of you not faint of heart, who believe the Volvo 480 should have more torque and horsepower, find all you need to know in here.

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marksch
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High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by marksch » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:43 pm

As promised details, now with pics:
(and btw, got my ecu dilivered back to me from Richard Pruen on
chrismas eve, just a small box, nothing like coyote's rims, but longed for
equally much i guess.Hope next saturday will work after checking CO and adjusting MAF resistance.)

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Finished fitting last saturday and went fine.
Only pressure plate needs adjusting of bore witdh of 3 the holes to fit the 3 centerpoints(?) on flywheel: bore to 8 mm, try fit on flywheel and adjust bore again when needed, very precise and equally much!
Only when fit 100%, then fit with clutchplate, tight bolts with hand, center plate and tighten, may well go up to as much as 55 NM instead of standard 21 Nm.
Pre-tension is much higher, it is a high torque, heavy duty clutch!
Locktite maybe ? ( i did not use it )
New clutchcable i did.
How i came to this;
did some (re)search on the internet(see listing), read a lot on this forum about clutches, flywheels, gearboxes like M59/JC5,maybe interchangeble parts with Renault and so on.
E-mailed ZF SRE twice, no answer, called them and i should contact a ZF SRE distributor in Holland: Again they couldn't or wouldn't tell me if this would fit a 480.Did say it being a special order with NO return possibly.

But when Valeo specifies a Renault clutch for JC5 to be a 215 mm one, then again Sachs and ZF SRE specify the same clutch as a a 210 mm for JC5, Volvo M59 and Renault JC5 are very similar gearboxes and a 480 2.0 L has a 210 mm clutch and usus the same flywheel as late Turbo's,
i went for it.
Pro: torque and endurance.
Con: price = euro 600
I used the SRE 999771 pressureplate with the 999877 sintered torsion clutch disc.( max 70 Nm plus over organic plate 999862)

Listing:
Important: ONLY for:
Volvo 480 from vin .......567600 and on (late turbo with originally 215 mm clutch)
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VALEO VALEO VALEO
Volvo 480
801307 (clutch set partsnr)
Vanaf bj.: 04/1988 Tot bj.: 07/1995
Vanaf chassisnr.: 567600
Type versnellingsbak: M59.


VALEO VALEO VALEO
Renault Renault
LAGUNA (B56_, 556_)
1.8 16V (B563, B564)
Motorcodes F4P 760
Vanaf bj.: 09/1998 Tot bj.: 12/2000
Type versnellingsbak: JC5, Nieuw onderdeel, D1: 215 mm, D2: 215 mm,
801985 (clutchset partsnr)
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Sachs Sachs Sachs
Volvo 480
SACHS 3000 603 001 (clutch set partsnr)
Durchmesser [mm]: 215


Sachs Sachs Sachs
Renault
Modellreihe: LAGUNA (B56_, 556_)
4. Typ : 1.8 16V (B563, B564)
Baujahr : 04/1998 - 03/2001
Motorcode F4P 760
1 SACHS 3000 951 204 (clutch set partsnr)
Durchmesser [mm]: 210
Zähnezahl: 26
consists of:
3082 316 341 ( Kupplungsdruckplatte / 1 Stück ) Kenngröße: MF210
1878 076 941 ( Kupplungsscheibe / 1 Stück ) Kenngröße: 210VTPB Durchmesser [mm]: 210 Nabenprofil: 20x21,9-26N Zähnezahl: 26
3151 600 520 ( Ausrücklager / 1 Stück ) Kenngröße: KZIS-1
4200 080 060 ( Fett (Hochleistungsgleitfett) / 1 Stück )
Nur zusammen verbauen
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SACHS (ZF SRE) SACHS (ZF SRE) SACHS (ZF SRE)

1) Sachs SRE 883082 999771
clutch pressureplate (HD)
Performance Fahrgestellnummer : B563 /564
Motorcode : F4P
Durchmesser [mm]: 210
verstärkte Ausführung
Kenngröße: MF210
only in combination with 881861 999877 or 881861 999877

2) SACHS (ZF SRE) 881861 999877
Kupplungsscheibe
Performance Fahrgestellnummer : B563 /564
Motorcode : F4P
Nabenprofil: 20x21,9-26N
Zähnezahl: 26
Kenngröße: 210TPS
Durchmesser [mm]: 210
max. torque [Nm]: 350 (with 883082 999771 pressure plate)
Torsion sintered metal clutchplate

3) SACHS (ZF SRE) 881861 999862
Kupplungsscheibe
Performance Fahrgestellnummer : B563 /564
Motorcode : F4P
Nabenprofil: 20x21,9-26N
Zähnezahl: 26
Kenngröße: 210XPD
Durchmesser [mm]: 210
max. torque [Nm]: 280 (with 883082 999771 pressure plate)
(according to ZF SRE technical Service) !
Torsions organig clutchplate
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For the early 480 Turbo's with the 200 mm clutch, ZF SRE has some similar clutches availeble ! (check out tere webcat3 site)
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Extra info:
Standard clutch (complete set with bearing)
comparrison partnumbers from different makes:
: 33448598 VOLVO
: 801307 Valeo
: 3000603001 SACHS (made by Valeo !)
: 622120000 LUK
: HK09937 DELPHI
: QKT1849AF QUINTON HAZELL
: TCK3843 TTV
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Long post but hopefully informative.
Greetz, Mark
Last edited by marksch on Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
For now no more 480's : maybe some day ....?
480 Turbo 94, green 314, sold 2008
480 GT Turbo 95,SRE clutch, Richmod,sold 2008
480 ES 87, red 217, sold 2005
480 ES 87,blue 219,dismanteled and sold 2004

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Post by lee » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:23 pm

geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz thats one hell of a pricey clutch.

Hope it does what it says on the box for you mate
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by mathrock » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:34 am

Based on this post I'm led to believe that the Helix upgraded clutch (Helix 30-4203) for the Renault Clio II would work for our little 480 Turbo wedge. Has anyone looked into this or tried it? https://www.demon-tweeks.com/us/helix-s ... lx30-4203/

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by cranna21 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:11 pm

mathrock wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:34 am
Based on this post I'm led to believe that the Helix upgraded clutch (Helix 30-4203) for the Renault Clio II would work for our little 480 Turbo wedge. Has anyone looked into this or tried it? https://www.demon-tweeks.com/us/helix-s ... lx30-4203/
I think you are right in that the clutch plate diameter is the same and I know that the centre spline should be the same too - however my concern is the fixing bolt holes along the pressure plate for mounting to the flywheel ?
1991 white 480 ES bought with 39800 on the clock end of November 2013, Now sporting a 208bhp/230nm Renault F7R Clio Williams 16v engine!

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by mathrock » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:25 pm

Only pressure plate needs adjusting of bore witdh of 3 the holes to fit the 3 centerpoints(?) on flywheel: bore to 8 mm, try fit on flywheel and adjust bore again when needed, very precise and equally much!
Would it not be similar to the example of the Sachs Racing clutch? Depending on how far they are off, just a bit of fiddling with the holes?

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by cranna21 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:21 am

i think the best experiment would be to buy a very cheap clutch and try it onto a 480 flywheel - i'm unsure!
1991 white 480 ES bought with 39800 on the clock end of November 2013, Now sporting a 208bhp/230nm Renault F7R Clio Williams 16v engine!

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by Alan 480 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:50 am

cranna21 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:21 am
i think the best experiment would be to buy a very cheap clutch and try it onto a 480 flywheel - i'm unsure!
or speak VERY nicely to your local parts supplier and they might let you try it for fit

I have spare flywheel here if you don't want to strip an engine :wink:

or it could be measured with the PCD, number and spacing of holes etc
Alan

480 ES 2litre x 2, C30 1.8ES, SS1

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by cranna21 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Alan 480 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:50 am
cranna21 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:21 am
i think the best experiment would be to buy a very cheap clutch and try it onto a 480 flywheel - i'm unsure!
or speak VERY nicely to your local parts supplier and they might let you try it for fit

I have spare flywheel here if you don't want to strip an engine :wink:

or it could be measured with the PCD, number and spacing of holes etc
Just have to watch what flywheel you're using! are there not 3 varients ???
1991 white 480 ES bought with 39800 on the clock end of November 2013, Now sporting a 208bhp/230nm Renault F7R Clio Williams 16v engine!

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by mathrock » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:37 pm

I have a 1993 480 Turbo, which uses the 215mm flywheel/clutch. I'm in the US so there is no such thing as a cheap clutch to try :wink: Appreciate any help from people who have easier access to a spare flywheel and a friendly parts supplier! Thanks.

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by Alan 480 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:31 pm

OK
if no other offers i will measure up the flywheel that I have, note that mine is a two litre, and so before I spend a load of time trying to help you I'll wait until confirm if there are two or three types!!

but if I do measure then the data will be there for others? I'm away next week so hope not in a hurry??

PS I thought parts for cars were cheap in USA, or only for USA built cars?
Alan

480 ES 2litre x 2, C30 1.8ES, SS1

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by mathrock » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:22 pm

Appreciate the offer. Definitely not in a hurry. Parts are reasonably cheap in the USA, but only for cars that are sold here. None of the Volvo 480 parts are available in the USA and all have to be ordered from Europe (AutoDoc. RendCar, Skandix, etc). Most places have minimum shipping costs of $50-90 per order so I end up saving up a batch of parts to order all at once.

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Re: High torque clutch for late Turbo's + pics

Post by cranna21 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:52 am

Alan 480 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:31 pm
OK
if no other offers i will measure up the flywheel that I have, note that mine is a two litre, and so before I spend a load of time trying to help you I'll wait until confirm if there are two or three types!!

but if I do measure then the data will be there for others? I'm away next week so hope not in a hurry??

PS I thought parts for cars were cheap in USA, or only for USA built cars?
Alan i was fairly certain that the 2.0L has a 210mm clutch, but im unsure, clutches are a little bit of a minefield!
1991 white 480 ES bought with 39800 on the clock end of November 2013, Now sporting a 208bhp/230nm Renault F7R Clio Williams 16v engine!

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