JT's 'FCW' Restoring Project and T25 turbo upgrade
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JT's 'FCW' Restoring Project and T25 turbo upgrade
Well, as those of you who can be arsed reading my posts would know, i 'm not afraid of getting stuck in to 480s.
(see my strip down, and engine swap threads)
Well here begins my picture diary project of...for want of a better word, *restoring* my beloved yet recently neglected Turbo.
Heres a little taster of what can happen to your car if you are in fact, not Dan, but instead are John. Actually Dan (should you read this), i'm hoping this is sufficiently neglectful for you to whisk yourself up here with a shammy leather the size of an ordnance survey map.
Just to really disgust you. The Front cluster going green down there....thats been on the car for less than 100 miles.
So whats this project entail?
- An even MORE intensive engine bay rebuild than in my engine swap thread. A new clutch/belt/everything.
-MUCH polishing, t-cutting, etc.
- The removal of several binliners of junk
-The sorting of my [thankfully surface only] rusty arches.
Anyone moving this to the homosexual thread will have much vengeance and furious anger bestowed upon them!
(see my strip down, and engine swap threads)
Well here begins my picture diary project of...for want of a better word, *restoring* my beloved yet recently neglected Turbo.
Heres a little taster of what can happen to your car if you are in fact, not Dan, but instead are John. Actually Dan (should you read this), i'm hoping this is sufficiently neglectful for you to whisk yourself up here with a shammy leather the size of an ordnance survey map.
Just to really disgust you. The Front cluster going green down there....thats been on the car for less than 100 miles.
So whats this project entail?
- An even MORE intensive engine bay rebuild than in my engine swap thread. A new clutch/belt/everything.
-MUCH polishing, t-cutting, etc.
- The removal of several binliners of junk
-The sorting of my [thankfully surface only] rusty arches.
Anyone moving this to the homosexual thread will have much vengeance and furious anger bestowed upon them!
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Its nowhere like last years body surprises though,what with that rotten rear panel above yer clustus!
Youll piss the engine.Will you be fittus an uprated clutch?Hey you drive it like you just robbed it,fit a paddleus!
You also change gear like you mean to unattach the lever from its ball socket!Fit a quick shift!
We want pictorial rebuild hysteria here bitch!
Go for it my youngest,and blondest friend!
Youll piss the engine.Will you be fittus an uprated clutch?Hey you drive it like you just robbed it,fit a paddleus!
You also change gear like you mean to unattach the lever from its ball socket!Fit a quick shift!
We want pictorial rebuild hysteria here bitch!
Go for it my youngest,and blondest friend!
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Re: JT's 'FCW' Restoring Project.
Dude!JohnTurbo wrote:Actually Dan (should you read this), i'm hoping this is sufficiently neglectful for you to whisk yourself up here with a shammy leather the size of an ordnance survey map.
If i hadn't have just handed in my notice with no job to go to (:shock:), i wouldn't have been spending my week off in June job hunting...therefore i'd have been more than happy to whip up there for a few days and get that dreadful shade of pink out of that shell! And just think how much of my mechanical knowledge you'd have too, as we all know thats my forte...
Good to see the love coming back...it is a bit distressing, especially when you see it like this....
Fuck me, it was red!
Keep us updated, looking forward to reading this!
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This is underway now, with the addition of a T25 turbo from a Saab.
The first point to note here is that the engine in a specifically late model turbo DOES NOT COME OUT EASILY. Anybody who's done this, Chris, Richard etc....I salute you!
Dropping the subframe is a piece of piss comparitively.
Don't even THINK about reading the haynes manual. They apparently only ever removed a 1.6 carb engine without power steering. IT also apparently didn't have a bottom radiator hose.
The addition of the late type ABS makes things really good fun, as the engine nicely wedges itself between the abs and the brake master cylinder/servo.
Other entertaining highlights include the need to remove the rear engine mount bracket. - The bolt of which is obstructed by one of the turbo pipes, which is almost impossible to remove, and requires the removal of two separate heat shields first.
I also had to remove the oil filter, alternator and then squeeze the gearbox housing past the chassis leg with a crow bar.
Some photos:-
The engine is wedges in this shot:-
After much battling:-
My face/mood afterwards.
A comparison of the turbos:-
And an indication of the porting required on the inlet, exhaust side.
Also to note...in fitting a saab t25 to a 480T you have to work to all but one of the fittings to get the various pipes/banjos to fit.
Its not a straight swap by any stretch of the imagination. The "old type" turbo elbow doesn't FIT, it can only be made to fit by making an adaptor plate from something like 20mm plate. Something else i'm looking forward to!!
John
The first point to note here is that the engine in a specifically late model turbo DOES NOT COME OUT EASILY. Anybody who's done this, Chris, Richard etc....I salute you!
Dropping the subframe is a piece of piss comparitively.
Don't even THINK about reading the haynes manual. They apparently only ever removed a 1.6 carb engine without power steering. IT also apparently didn't have a bottom radiator hose.
The addition of the late type ABS makes things really good fun, as the engine nicely wedges itself between the abs and the brake master cylinder/servo.
Other entertaining highlights include the need to remove the rear engine mount bracket. - The bolt of which is obstructed by one of the turbo pipes, which is almost impossible to remove, and requires the removal of two separate heat shields first.
I also had to remove the oil filter, alternator and then squeeze the gearbox housing past the chassis leg with a crow bar.
Some photos:-
The engine is wedges in this shot:-
After much battling:-
My face/mood afterwards.
A comparison of the turbos:-
And an indication of the porting required on the inlet, exhaust side.
Also to note...in fitting a saab t25 to a 480T you have to work to all but one of the fittings to get the various pipes/banjos to fit.
Its not a straight swap by any stretch of the imagination. The "old type" turbo elbow doesn't FIT, it can only be made to fit by making an adaptor plate from something like 20mm plate. Something else i'm looking forward to!!
John
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im surprised at just how clenaayour face is....
must just be me that tends to get several layers of oil, grease and general dirt on my face when im doing things.....
props dude......
rgrds
rob
must just be me that tends to get several layers of oil, grease and general dirt on my face when im doing things.....
props dude......
rgrds
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Good luck john, i've just done the same thing to the 5, i cheated tho, i used an early volvo manifold because it comes in two parts, ground the studs off the saab manifold and welded them together so the volvo down pipe fits straight on.
The oil and water are fairly easy, you can use the original water pipes, one may need a different banjo bolt in, so requires a little filing, depending on size of threads in turbo (i have 2 T25's, both from saabs, with different size threads) the oil feed needs the fitting out of your T2 then will fit the original volvo pipe, and the oil return needs cutting back (again depends which turbo u have) but just needs a bit of different silicone hose to connect to the sump.
You can use the volvo high pressure turbo outlet pipe on the T25, the turbo intake will need a piece of 60mm pipe instead of 50mm, but shouldn't be a problem for a man of your talent.
Oh, and the actuater bracket needs moving from the bottom to the top of the snail, but thats obvious lol
I did all that with the engine out like you are, as she needed a new gearbox and clutch, but, then my ebay turbo let go after only TWO weeks, grrrrrr, so had it all to change again, this time with engine in, which wasn't as bad as i thought it was gunna be, as i don't have that antiroll bar in the way.
My mate with a 480 has just done same thing and his doesnt hit the antiroll bar.
anyway, as i say, good luck mate
steve
The oil and water are fairly easy, you can use the original water pipes, one may need a different banjo bolt in, so requires a little filing, depending on size of threads in turbo (i have 2 T25's, both from saabs, with different size threads) the oil feed needs the fitting out of your T2 then will fit the original volvo pipe, and the oil return needs cutting back (again depends which turbo u have) but just needs a bit of different silicone hose to connect to the sump.
You can use the volvo high pressure turbo outlet pipe on the T25, the turbo intake will need a piece of 60mm pipe instead of 50mm, but shouldn't be a problem for a man of your talent.
Oh, and the actuater bracket needs moving from the bottom to the top of the snail, but thats obvious lol
I did all that with the engine out like you are, as she needed a new gearbox and clutch, but, then my ebay turbo let go after only TWO weeks, grrrrrr, so had it all to change again, this time with engine in, which wasn't as bad as i thought it was gunna be, as i don't have that antiroll bar in the way.
My mate with a 480 has just done same thing and his doesnt hit the antiroll bar.
anyway, as i say, good luck mate
steve
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@Rob - What i was really trying to show was the large amount of black crap that had got in my eyes and had accumulated at the corners. My new samsung phone, it seems, takes shit pictures compared to my old sony ericsson. I was much oilier than i look.
@Mart - IC got in the way a little, but not too much. Downpipe not at all.
@Chris - God only knows...mart managed alright with his hybrid i'm assuming. Also this is a fair bit smaller than a T3, so fingers crossed.
@Rohan - Cheers Brutha
@Rapid - Welding the elbow would certainly be easier. Unfortunately i don't know anyone with a welder big enough to weld sections of this thickness properly. I have some 12" plate, and i'll turn out the centre on a lathe to fit the taper on the turbo exhaust exit.
Hopefully the oil/water ways won't be too bad, as you describe. I have lots of fittings kicking around anyway.
As for the 50/60mm issue, i'm going to liquid metal a piece of 50mm tubing into the ID of the compressor inlet. This way theres a really nice gradual taper through the original volvo pipe to the 40ish mm actual inlet diameter when it hits the compressor wheel.
I've looked at the actuator bracket. Thats a piece of piss, i've got the metric taps out waiting.
What WAS NOT fun was aligning the inlet and exhaust housings so that the exhaust inlet/compressor outlet were correct relative to the centre section. Pics to follow.
Basically to get the compressor housing off required the grinding of an old pair of pliers + the addition of two pipes for leverage in order to make a large bespoke pair of circlip pliers. Had it not been sunday night, i'd have just bought some mind.
Photos this evening.
The exhaust housing really would not come off, and theres bugger all to grip. In the end I got my father on the job as he's more patient. He heated the housing up to approx 350degrees C at which it just tapped off. Massive blowtorch required here, would be a challenge with one of those little calor things. The annoying clamping bolts, and the need to position it before it cooled down too much resulting in a few near-burns too.
@Mart - IC got in the way a little, but not too much. Downpipe not at all.
@Chris - God only knows...mart managed alright with his hybrid i'm assuming. Also this is a fair bit smaller than a T3, so fingers crossed.
@Rohan - Cheers Brutha
@Rapid - Welding the elbow would certainly be easier. Unfortunately i don't know anyone with a welder big enough to weld sections of this thickness properly. I have some 12" plate, and i'll turn out the centre on a lathe to fit the taper on the turbo exhaust exit.
Hopefully the oil/water ways won't be too bad, as you describe. I have lots of fittings kicking around anyway.
As for the 50/60mm issue, i'm going to liquid metal a piece of 50mm tubing into the ID of the compressor inlet. This way theres a really nice gradual taper through the original volvo pipe to the 40ish mm actual inlet diameter when it hits the compressor wheel.
I've looked at the actuator bracket. Thats a piece of piss, i've got the metric taps out waiting.
What WAS NOT fun was aligning the inlet and exhaust housings so that the exhaust inlet/compressor outlet were correct relative to the centre section. Pics to follow.
Basically to get the compressor housing off required the grinding of an old pair of pliers + the addition of two pipes for leverage in order to make a large bespoke pair of circlip pliers. Had it not been sunday night, i'd have just bought some mind.
Photos this evening.
The exhaust housing really would not come off, and theres bugger all to grip. In the end I got my father on the job as he's more patient. He heated the housing up to approx 350degrees C at which it just tapped off. Massive blowtorch required here, would be a challenge with one of those little calor things. The annoying clamping bolts, and the need to position it before it cooled down too much resulting in a few near-burns too.
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You do put yourself through it JT, but i admire you for doing it. I'd love to have the technical knowledge. But eitherway, good work and interesting read
And your dirty face photo...not so much dirty, make's you look a trifle evil!
And your dirty face photo...not so much dirty, make's you look a trifle evil!
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Re-drilled/taped holes for wastegate mount. M6x1P
Drilled and tapped hole for pressure signal bleed-off. 1/8 BSP seems to kinda work.
Blanked off Saab's bleed off point.
Drilled and tapped hole for pressure signal bleed-off. 1/8 BSP seems to kinda work.
Blanked off Saab's bleed off point.
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FRirst up, pulled the gearbox off. Came off much easier than the one that went in the EST. Removed the clutch. - Yet again i'm going to be throwing away a clutch which appears to have more than half its life left. It barely looks any different to the new one, only it slipped under a bar of boost, so it has to go.
Bolted the new clutch on, and aligned it as best i could.
I wonder if the springs in the plate weaken with age or something?
Also finshed the job of the porting. Its pretty close now, and i took the meat out further inside the hole too to make the change in x-sec area more gradual for a nice expansion. Also drilled out the holes to 8.5mm to allow mounting to the exhaust manifold.
Have ordered a tri-lobe type s13 gasket off ebay, and also an oil return gasket.
5 litres of TRX gearoil too. @ £36 delivered, comes in a bit cheaper than the volvo stuff. Again i stress the importance of using the right stuff here.
This is the early elbow.... poor casting leaves a step to the inlet. I'll grind it out a bit next time i do some workage on the car.
Bolted the new clutch on, and aligned it as best i could.
I wonder if the springs in the plate weaken with age or something?
Also finshed the job of the porting. Its pretty close now, and i took the meat out further inside the hole too to make the change in x-sec area more gradual for a nice expansion. Also drilled out the holes to 8.5mm to allow mounting to the exhaust manifold.
Have ordered a tri-lobe type s13 gasket off ebay, and also an oil return gasket.
5 litres of TRX gearoil too. @ £36 delivered, comes in a bit cheaper than the volvo stuff. Again i stress the importance of using the right stuff here.
This is the early elbow.... poor casting leaves a step to the inlet. I'll grind it out a bit next time i do some workage on the car.
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thats a lovely elbow you have there john glad to see its getting used, project looks really interesting so far, the results should be impressive!
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