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Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:02 pm
by dragonflyjewels
Another small win today,

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now in the bin, the only place for it

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much better, albeit paler than the original, but I changed both so at least they match

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:47 pm
by just_somebody
Still got me eye firmly on this to go with the R6 I’m getting. Following its progress closely :D

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:15 pm
by jifflemon
just_somebody wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:47 pm
Still got me eye firmly on this to go with the R6 I’m getting. Following its progress closely :D
As I like to remind people, the correct number of 480’s to own is N+1, where N is the number of 480’s you currently own….

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:22 pm
by dragonflyjewels
Still got me eye firmly on this to go with the R6 I’m getting. Following its progress closely :D
As R6 and R7 came from the same previous owner, it is entirely appropriate that they are re-homed together with their next owner - can't split siblings up ! :D

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:19 pm
by dragonflyjewels
Things are finally moving !

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R7 has now gone to Andrew Vanham, our latest recruit to the cause. He has kindly volunteered to do the welding needed and has already sorted out the alignment on the back hatch so it shuts without needing to be thumped down.

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:41 pm
by jamescarruthers
Nice one!

How did he realign the rear door? Is it adjustable outwards on a serrated plate or does it need shimmed… something else completely I haven’t considered?

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:00 pm
by jifflemon
Depends where you need to adjust.
The rubber buffers wind in and out, and the top hinges are slotted

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:46 pm
by jamescarruthers
jifflemon wrote:
Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:00 pm
Depends where you need to adjust.
The rubber buffers wind in and out, and the top hinges are slotted
Cheers. Will take a look some day….!

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:56 pm
by jifflemon
Or wait until I see next…..

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:32 pm
by jamescarruthers
Once the world is put to rights…

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:10 am
by Anadinolin
jifflemon wrote:
Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:00 pm
Depends where you need to adjust.
The rubber buffers wind in and out, and the top hinges are slotted
This is exactly what I did :rofl:

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:22 am
by Anadinolin
So, R7 is currently sitting with me, once I have finished trying to suss out my cold start issues on my own 460 turbo (ray-le-otter) I will begin work on R7.

From what I remember there are a few blown sections reaching up inside the wheel well to what I can assume is the seat belt mount for the rear seats.

The aim and the skill level of my work is such that it will suffice for an MOT, I do hope to keep the standard the same or better than what I have done with my own 460.

Progress unfortunately will be on the slow side, as appart from Ray, I have a 2 year old and shift work. Christmas is a busy time of year for us aswell, we have birthdays nearly every other day in our family 👪 I guesstimate that the work would be around 6 months depending on what I find, I will try and get that down sooner.

The neighbours like the car aswell, while sitting on my driveway I can see a few hand and nose prints where people have peered inside :D

Hopefully we can see R7 out and about soon 🙏

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:52 am
by Anadinolin
So, iv moved R7 today for the first time myself. The beeping from under the dash made me jump as I wasn't expecting it when I first inserted the key and turned the ignition.

She did not want to start straight away, but got there in the end 😀 I did not expect her auto box to be so torquey she wheelspinned as soon as I put my foot on the pedal 😵 the 460 turbo gearbox is very lazy and sedate in comparison!!

Put her up on a jackstand on one side and had a quick nose around.

The sill has blown, could tidy up with a wire wheel and paint, there's been a rear end shunt at somepoint as the boot is bent put of shape. There are little patches of rust behind the rear wheel on the corner so I'll need to remove the back bumper and assess from there, nothing shocking or scary so far 🤔

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:55 am
by dragonflyjewels
I suspect shocking and scary will emerge when the rear bumper comes off. :lol:

I realised after the trailer left that I totally forgot to also send the 2 bumper reinforcing bars that need welding. :nuts:
Not sure if they are fronts or rears, they've been lurking in our garage for so long.

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:34 pm
by dragonflyjewels
I have been meaning to make a confession of spying for some time.
I dont know why, but I have been very curious about the history of R6 and R7 but both came with no paperwork and the previous owner had died. It has worried me that R7 appears to be an S even though it is registered as an ES. Another thing that puzzled me was that R7 drove very nicely, and had the feel of a well maintained car even though it was last mot'd in 2017. On the other hand, R6 drove as though it had been off the road for a long time even though the mot had recently run out and it was still taxed. V5s no longer give the name and address of the previous owner, but luckily there was a jiffy bag in the boot containing 480 locks which was posted way back in 2008. The name and address was still on it, so I gave way to curiosity and had a look at google streetview to see if either car was parked nearby. I magine my surprise to see this

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The image dates to 2012, and we can clearly see this one is badged as an S and been off the road for some time on a garage forecourt, so not on a public road. DVLA records revealed that a V5 was issued for R7 in 2012. Just wanting to confirm I had the right address for the owner rather than perhaps a fellow 480 owner who had passed the jiffybag on to our man, I switched to satellite view for a more up to date but less clear image

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So, by 2020, the same garage with the red door had a black car with a sunroof in front of it with a burgundy one parked opposite. Due to the angle and distortion, it's impossible to see what make or model the cars are, but by 2020 not many cars had a sunroof, and burgundy was an unusual colour so I'm confident these are indeed R6 and R7.

As R7 came with a box of parts, including service items in the boot, it seems reasonable to assume that the owner was doing his own repairs. He was obviously a long-time 480 owner and his method seems to have been to buy one, run it until it needed something he couldn't do himself, then put it on the garage forecourt and use it as a donor plus cupboard for parts. So, the replacement rear hatch on R7 probably came from its white predecessor, along with the S front grill (no fog lights, and no cutout to fit any). I'm now happy that the ES registration wasn't an error. It seems likely that the banging about underneath is a broken engine mount and our man couldn't change it, or couldn't find a replacement hence it became the spares car and along came R6. This was confirmed by DVLA records showing a V5 issued in 2017, shortly after R7 passed its last MoT.

My conclusion on the differences in driving R6 and R7 is that the owner was becoming less able to do his own repairs, so R6 didn't get the love and attention that R7 did.

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:56 pm
by WillC9303
Interesting find!

In regards to it being an S, Iam positive it is an ES model for a couple of reasons. The first being that the 2.0 engine was exclusive to the ES until the 1995 model year, when the S finally got it as well for the last few months of production. Another giveaway will be that R7 has an automatic gearbox, which was never available on the S, not even as an option.

If you can’t tell already, I’ve been reading lots of brochures and price lists :lol:

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:01 pm
by dragonflyjewels
Another walking encyclopedia !! :rofl:

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:09 pm
by edie_fox
I would SO do this. :lol:

Re: Rescue car: R7 - black 2 litre ES Auto

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:12 am
by Anadinolin
So, Thursday I decided to tackle Ray-Le-Otter's weak boost and low cold idle. Turned out it was a manifold leak somewhere, so I'm going to have to lift the engine out. Game over for a little while.

The attention then turned to R7, I had a good ole poke around in depth with her now being up in the air before stopping for lunch:

[Youtube]https://youtu.be/cDxihOhTsT0[/youtube]

After lunch, I decided to wire wheel the rear driver wheel arch and along the sil, I needed to remove the wing, which proved a little tricky, iv not taken one of these cars appart before and I'm a little shy of damaging it as its not my own to damage really 😅, this is what I found:

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Lots and lots of body filler, no real attempt to replace the metal underneath, as soon as I hit it with the wire wheel it fell off. :boom:

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Inside the rear wheel arch, loads of filler again, I hope that this car didn't have passengers, this is what it was hiding. Large holes around the seat belt mount, the sils had rubber grommets inserted as drain holes, all where clear but held water around them just simply due to the shape, rubber is great at holding moisture aswell, I feel its better to let it breathe.

The wing was quite fiddly to get off, as I had said already, this car is a bit different, I loosened all of the nose cone, loosened the bumper and pulled it all forwards, the light cluster came with it, I would like to figure out how to seperate these and take the lights out for access. *note to self, study HBOL*

This is what I found underneath:

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Standard affair according to the others, all that grot hidden behind the plastics. I dislike wheel arch liners for this reason, but it seems I'll need to put them back on this car, protect the doorjams etc.

End of day roundup video
[Youtube]https://youtu.be/KSpmUoD2ibk[/youtube]

So a little scary, and a little bit of work in the rear wheel arch, but time and patience will be key here. I am hoping to get myself a cheap 3x3M party tent type thing with sides so that I can work without disturbing and upsetting the other cars and give me all weather space if necessary.

When I begin welding and grinding I will need to cover the windows with something relatively robust, maybe rugged bin liners? 🤔

Paint will need organising aswell, so far I will do what I did with ray-le-otter and just paint with weld through primer when I'm resting between jobs. Should at least stop any more rust.