1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by dragonflyjewels » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:20 pm

Service history to mouse nest:
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That's an interesting jigsaw puzzle - you never know what gems of information are in there somewhere !

Great news that it's a launch car, you must have been ecstatic when that little gem came to light :rofl:
Sylvia

Snazzy - 1993 Paris Blue ES red dipstick 2.0i bought 2001
Lethal Lily - 1991 White Turbo
Paris the Unicorn - 1991 Paris Edition
hubby has
Sven - 1994 Racing Green GT
Evil Eva - 1992 Paris Blue Turbo

no previous 480s - can't bear to sell any

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:34 pm

Worked all day in the bloody rain!‎

Seats are out and have blitzed the interior, with the exception of the steering wheel which needs more defilthing, and had a rug doctor on the carpet and seats.‎ 

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Service carried out with exception of engine oil and filter and fuel filter. All usual ignition bits changed and it has been running, but very badly. It did briefly sound lovely and smooth (better than my B18E I thought!). Unfortunately I'm going to have to pop the injectors tomorrow morning and see how they spray.  It has everything but a nice fuel supply (fuel tank drained and filled again with fresh, fuel flow in engine bay healthy when rail feed disconnected and monitored). 


Thank you very much to everyone for your kind words.

Triumphtoledo, I think the boot glass of your old car lives on on the back of Keith Cooper's D864 launch car (it's etched with another CPV reg) and the engine might still be in Southampton. Or is that D707 that met it's end there?‎

Sylvia, I believe that in the past the DVLA didn't give the original‎ plate back but they do now when possible unless it was sold, so you are correct with the current situation. I doubt the reg has been sold as it's nothing special. I pretty confident that I can fill in a DVLA form and get it back with a little support from the Volvo Owners (or Enthusiasts) club. Once I have the V5 for D101 I can apply for the original plate back. 



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1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jifflemon » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:54 pm

I find the easiest way to clean steering wheels is to pop a towel in boiling water, carefully remove and wrap around the wheel. The heat helps left the worst of the stuff out.

Bet its already feeling much better with a clean eh?

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by dragonflyjewels » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:46 am

Looking much better already for the blitz clean.
Just checked the original reg and it came up as not found so looks like it hasn't been sold. I'm sure Kevin Price will support your application to get it back, he's a really nice chap. Do you belong to the VEC ?
Sylvia

Snazzy - 1993 Paris Blue ES red dipstick 2.0i bought 2001
Lethal Lily - 1991 White Turbo
Paris the Unicorn - 1991 Paris Edition
hubby has
Sven - 1994 Racing Green GT
Evil Eva - 1992 Paris Blue Turbo

no previous 480s - can't bear to sell any

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:48 am

Ah, I think that is the name on the pdf document the DVLA Supply for who to contact at the VEC. I'm not a member. Might join up, although I found the VOC magazines utterly tedious and the club themselves not able to help with ‎the 400 series when I was a member there for a year. That rather put me off joining a club for the whole marque. 

Having trouble drying the carpet fully when it must be 90% humidity outside as it has rained constantly since I've got the car. I think it might be wise to hire a dehumidifier for ‎to get it very dry before putting the seats back in. Terrified of coming back from 3 weeks away and finding it mouldy again. All windows open but garage is closed.

Have spent this morning scrubbing and using the Rug Doctor on my wife's soft top Mini roof as some sort of penance for my 480 sins. 
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The plan this afternoon is to ‎get the injectors out and deliver them to a cleaner/tester in Cottenham, not too far from me. They've agreed to do them immediately. I will also get it up on axle stands and replace the fuel filter and pop in the first bit of new handbrake cable whilst the cover is off inside the car.

If I can get it to start I can get it from one end of the village to the other and my mate can continue some of the work when I am away. I am going to do my absolute best to get it to the May meet, but my shift is against it. ‎

I couldn't get in the garage last night on my own as it rolls so badly. I decided to try it on the starter motor just to get it over the threshold. It only bloody started for a few seconds! Shat my pants as I was lying down with no seats and a screwdriver on the ignition switch. Anyway, it didn't go through the back of the garage which is nice and brakes kind of worked. Should have pulled the ignition lead.
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1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by Alan 480 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:03 pm

jamescarruthers wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:48 am
Ah, I think that is the name on the pdf document the DVLA Supply for who to contact at the VEC. I'm not a member. Might join up, although I found the VOC magazines utterly tedious and the club themselves not able to help with ‎the 400 series when I was a member there for a year. That rather put me off joining a club for the whole marque. 
that's cos it's not a real Volvo :wink:

looks as if you are progressing rather quickly, faster than I would have been anyway
Alan

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jifflemon » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:29 pm

jamescarruthers wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:48 am
Having trouble drying the carpet fully when it must be 90% humidity outside as it has rained constantly since I've got the car. I think it might be wise to hire a dehumidifier for ‎to get it very dry before putting the seats back in. Terrified of coming back from 3 weeks away and finding it mouldy again. All windows open but garage is closed.
Get yourself one of these

It's been a godsend for me; Very economical to run (around 4p per day on 24/7 usage).

The tank will fill up, but it can be plumbed in to have a "perma-drain" function.

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by dragonflyjewels » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:57 pm

jamescarruthers wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:48 am
Ah, I think that is the name on the pdf document the DVLA Supply for who to contact at the VEC. I'm not a member. Might join up, although I found the VOC magazines utterly tedious and the club themselves not able to help with ‎the 400 series when I was a member there for a year. That rather put me off joining a club for the whole marque.

that's cos it's not a real Volvo :wink:
It might not be a 'real' Volvo, but Kevin Price not only owns the original ST1 P1800 used in the Saint series, he also has a 480 for his everday car. No 'Volvo snobbery' there ! :lol:
Sylvia

Snazzy - 1993 Paris Blue ES red dipstick 2.0i bought 2001
Lethal Lily - 1991 White Turbo
Paris the Unicorn - 1991 Paris Edition
hubby has
Sven - 1994 Racing Green GT
Evil Eva - 1992 Paris Blue Turbo

no previous 480s - can't bear to sell any

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by brinkie » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:19 pm

Don't mix the VOC and VEC up...
Robert.

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:48 am

True, I have no experience of VEC, hopefully they are less snoozeworthy. I don't wish to sound rude about the VOC. They are probably fine and very interesting and helpful for some people/cars, but for not for me. Luckily, for club support for original registration number return you don't need to join any club. 

Injectors out at 7:30 this morning and off for testing and cleaning! Wife's Mini to MOT this morning. I feel like a full time mechanic this week!

Fingers crossed for start late tonight or tomorrow morning!‎ I just needs to complete this little frenzy of work to get it moved 0.5 mile so my mate can continue work in my absence! If not, it will stall and there'll be no chance of coming to the May meet (it's still slim regardless).

Brinkie, have you checked your PM's with my parts request for Orlando? I have a few other bits to add and will let you know by the end of the week. ‎
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by dcwalker » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:54 am

Fingers crossed for you!

David
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Previous: Celebration 331 (re-homed with Richard S), Celebration 467 (returned to Martin Mc); Celebration 346 (re-homed with Alan480); Celebration 269 (scrapped abandoned project), Celebration 73 (sold on after 6 years), 1992 ES, 1988 ES - and numerous other non-480 Volvos!

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:07 am

Hmmmm, well I'm a little stumped now. 

It starts easily and consistently now but will only run for a few seconds. It sounds healthy when it runs too!‎

I've swapped the flywheel sensors, coil and ignition amplifiers. D-reg car behaves the same, E-reg car runs happily on swapped parts.

Any ideas?‎

I am wondering if the fuel pump is being told to run for its initial start, triggered by the flywheel sensor but isn't running when the ECU‎ detects the engine is running.
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by Alan 480 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:43 am

you can hear the pump run when turn key (screwdriver) to first position then pump stops after a few seconds? (when system primed)

the fuel pump relay could be overidden quite easily to confirm / deny that thought.

note though that fuel pump stopping equals 'instant stop',

more likely to be the idle valve which has a 'start' position , then moves to 'run' .

you could blank the idle valve pipe and just hold the main butterfly open with short piece of wire so it is 'just off the stop' if no adjustable stop?
Alan

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:19 pm

Thank you Alan.

The idle valve was tested by the ex-Bosch guy who cleaned it. I thought if it was broken the car would still run with a bit of throttle applied. I will swap it though now you mention it though!

Re: the fuel pump. It definitely  does prime, then stop as you'd expect. ‎I can't confirm if it runs when the engine is cranked right now but it did pump fuel a few days ago from the fuel rail pipe when the engine was cranked. When the car cuts out the pump can be heard running for a few seconds. 

I haven't found the fuel pump relay yet. I thought it was in the driver's side footwell, but it's not! Will have a look in the passenger footwell this afternoon. I would like to force it to run continuously if possible.

I also swapped the cars ECUs. They are both B18E with Fenix 1 (well I presume the older car will also have Fenix 1!). E-reg car runs (a bit shit) on the D-reg car's ECU;‎ D-reg still behaves the same with E-reg car's ECU installed. 

They are different part number boxes which is a surprise:
D-reg car has Bendix 101290101E
E-reg car has Renix S100803102

I was going to post using Postimages but now that is broken and we have lost all of our pictures again.‎
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:33 pm

 :hopping: 

I forgot about the MAP sensor! Swapped that over and it started up and runs lovelly. 

Ran up to working temperature, keeping the header tank topped up as radiator is leaking. Oil sucked out and about to put in some temporary oil and run it to give it a good clean. 

Hurrah!

Just need a MAP sensor and black bodied intake temperature sensor to make it work with its own parts now!‎

‎ :hopping: 
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:24 am

1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by Alan 480 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:58 am

good stuff :hopping:

MAP? MAF?
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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:55 pm

Mass air pressure sensors on these old ones. A pipe straight off the inlet manifold. ‎
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jifflemon » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:05 pm

I instinctively want to clean that engine bay.... :D

Excellent work - You sourced a Rad yet?

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Re: 1987 480 ES Project -- D-reg, 2nd oldest in UK

Post by jamescarruthers » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:24 pm

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I'm on it! Got a Nissens one waiting to go in. Unfortunately one of the bottom hoses looks like it's been bodged and its not available from what I can see. Not the end of the world, it can at least be bodged better! If it comes to it I'll send all hoses off to be remade, but would rather put off more big spends until after it is MOT'd and on the road.‎

Brake calipers off today and sent away for refurbishment. They'll be painted gun metal grey-- I was tempted by Volvo 217 red‎ but resisted. New discs and pads arrived.

Also away for work are the ‎pop up and boot struts for regassing. This is a little eager beaver but access is so nice and easy with the front off!

Interior is back in apart from the centre arm rest as the handbrake centre cable needs to be fed through. It is nice and clean in there now thankfully. ‎

I was upset by the ugly aftermarket aerial so I fitted my spare whilst the trim was out. Connection is corroded to hell and radio doesn't work but at least the car looks right at the back. I've got a new rear washer nozzle to go on too. ‎

I actually drove it for about two minutes today! The wheels were like 50 pence pieces! New tyres have also arrived to cure this-- Avon ZT-5 weren't a bad price. ‎This is the first time it has turned a wheel on its own for some time. I thought the clutch was stuck as I couldn't select gears but could start it in gear and move that way. So there wasn't much in the way of stop or go. Turns out it just needed a bit of adjustment. So not much in the way of stop or go bit very exciting none the less and quite bouncy on those tyres! Very pleased anyway.

This is the only drive it will get in this state but it was essential to get it to the other end of the village to get my mate to continue work before I go away tomorrow for a few weeks. He will do the timing belt as the first job so at least we aren't terrified of the belt snapping anymore, then continue with the brakes, cooling system, etc. The window might be coming out soon too.

Jeff, you are right about the engine bay, it is quite manky. I am hoping to give it a bit of a wash before you guys get to see it.‎
1987 Volvo 480 ES, 507274, 217 - Red (Ness)
2006 Citroen C6 Exclusive 3.0 petrol/LPG
2008 Mini Cooper convertible (Mau)

Previous 480's:
J123 CFU -- ES
J449 MNL -- ES auto
D864 CPV -- ES
L691 JFC -- Turbo
F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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