Blinky 51/480

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by dcwalker » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:03 am

That's a really helpful marked-up photo. I too have done these repair in the pat and found exactly the same thing - do each wire in a different place or they won't all fit back in.

Good luck Arthuy!

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by jifflemon » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:21 am

Superb photo...

Am debating getting a spare loom, so I can run all new wires, and simply swap over.

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:51 am

Found some photos on the forum which havent died yet.

http://www.volvo-480-europe.org/forum/v ... 38#p199438

http://www.volvo-480-europe.org/forum/v ... 12&t=17686

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It is a shame that the photobucket issue has ruined so many threads.

Rather than repair the wires I will replace the loom, will give the pull through method a go before I try to prise of the plastic cover.

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by eye of ra » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:08 pm

I take you both mean instead of repairing a section of the wires you are going to replace the complete wires with a homemade loom rather than a genuine loom? If you do have a supplier of the genuine loom do tell and I’ll get one as well.
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:14 pm

I will be making my own loom, it will be quicker and easier for me to do it myself.

Tackled the lazy headlamp today, drivers side so was a 5 minute job or rather it would have been if they had just either left a cut out in the motor bracke to allow the spindle to clear it insitu or put the captive nut on the body panel and not the headlamp bracket.

I had to pull the screen wash and coolant tanks out of the way. I would have out in a rivnut but the hole was quite large would have required a bit more time to get it done.

The headlamp motor I have as a spare was a passengerside unit. It does fit but but the cable is shorter and it sits pointing down but it does fit.

Good tip before doing swaping the motor, plug it in and make sure it works before any dismantling. I did this and am glad I did.


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To make refitting easier I cut a slot on the bracket, I couldnt quite get it back in otherwise. Not sure if this was because the motor limited the positions I could get the bracket into.

All done now and operation tested before I fully reassembled the lights.
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:53 pm

eye of ra wrote:There are actually 2 connectors. You need to get the round one out first or it won’t fit through the hole, my hole is bigger as I could not find a replacement grommet the correct size so enlarged it.

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is this just where the cable pokes out the roof? where does the loom go once in the roof?

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by eye of ra » Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:36 pm

That plug would normally be in the roof just behind the hole I pushed it through to take the picture.

It plugs into the hatch loom shown on the other picture.

Assuming it’s the hatch loom you are replacing you will be connecting your new loom to it not replacing it however if you need to know where it goes for another reason it runs down the n/s rear pillar along the n/s of the car under the carpet to the connectors behind the dash before going to the CEM.
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:33 pm

Thanks for that, What I am thinking about is leaving a lot more cable on tailgate loom.

Will either cut or pull back the main loom to a location where it is easier to work on later.

I was going to use new plugs but will probably reused the existing plugs assuming that they dont fall apart on removal. :D

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:15 pm

I always quite fancied some yellow fog lamps and as my 480 is grey with clear indicators there isnt much colour about the front end.

Got some yellow film and put it on today. Also get the grill a clean up. My other half wasnt particularly impressed. :(

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I think it looks better just for cleaning up the grill.

Are there many other 480's with tinted lamps?
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by frenchfries » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:42 pm

I did not think they were road legal to be honest......
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:48 pm

White or yellow is acceptable.

Set out in schedule 6 of The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989 ... ule/6/made

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by dcwalker » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:37 pm

Certainly they are road legal. Following, I guess, from the old French headlamp requirements I know quite a lot of the older Renaults had yellow foglights fitted back in the day for the UK market. There is a school of thought that yellower lights are better for penetrating fog and mist...

Not my own preference - each to their own - but it does make your 480 distinctive, Arthuy!
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by jamescarruthers » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:11 pm

Funnily enough, I've done similar but with bulb caps on the headlamps only yesterday! Great minds think alike!

Will follow with the fogs with film like you did me thinks.

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:55 pm

It is interesting how fellow owners flip the lights and reflectors etc. I have seen the driving lamps yellow too. When I bought the car it had one blue headlamp bulb which was swiftly binned.

I will stop at the fog lamps though, it is just something I wanted to try to add a little colour. Being dark grey I think it blends in to the tarmac a bit too much. Being film it is easy to remove if i dont like it.

I need a little info on the alarm system. I think mine has been going off, I havent seen it but have heard the horn sound a few times but thought I was my neighbours car. It happened tonight when I was down the street with the dog, it had stopped by the time I got back but the red left was either on constantly or flashing really fast so I guess it was the 480 which was going off.

So will this be connected to the tailgate loom which is damaged? or is there a switch some where? Any suggestions?

I use the key to lock the car and have never had a fob, not sure there ever was one.

On another note, the key doesnt turn in the boot lock, it is on the to do list.
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by jamescarruthers » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:58 pm

Have seen pictures of really early French cars with yellow long range lamps. Parts catalogue lists yellow headlamps as a part number too.
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F70 MNR -- ES
H858 FGV -- Turbo auto
E981 KHM -- ES (509849)

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by jifflemon » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:15 am

The theory behind using yellow light is to improve vision by removing short, blue to violet wavelengths from the projected light. These wavelengths are difficult for the human visual system to process properly, and they cause perceived dazzle and glare effects in rain, fog and snow.
However, removing the blue-violet portion of a lamp's output can entail filter losses of around 15%

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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Not sure I am glad I started this job tonight.

Got the old loom out. Once I had the loom out I realised how it was fitted in the first place. The spade terminals as passed through the rear screen frame and then fitted to the block at the wiper motor.

I just marked them on either side of the tailgate and cut them as I was replacing the loom. Once out I rejoined them and identified which pins went to which.

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I threaded the new wires through the bung.

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I did managed to feed the wires back into the frame, pulling the square block back in was abit tough but a little baby shampoo as lube and some persuasion saw it locate.

I was going to reuse the round plugs but they pins aren't great. I have a new 5 pin connector so have pulled the loom back a bit and will fit it. I wont be able to pull the connector out but will leave enough to cut the plug off and remake it if need be.

The only problem I can see so far is obvious where the breakages occur. Will need to look at something too pull or bond the cable close to the edge away from the seal. I am thinking a steel rod bent at the appropriate angle.

Makes me wonder about some kind on pin connector to replace this loom as there is plenty of space near the lock.

I have also replace one of the tailgate struts. I had try to remove one the other week but it was stuck even with the locking pins removed. As I was in playing with wires it fell off. Perfect opportunity to swap it. I just so happened to have one which was almost identical. to the Volvo item. I popped it on and it works, will need to keep and eye on it as when I released the hatch it opened without help. The strut was a worn one off a Rover SD1 bonnet which wasn't quite up to holding the bonnet anymore. So one of my struts has Volvo and the other an Austin rover logo.
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by balto8 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:58 am

Maybe you can try this watertight - ish mate n Lok connectors.

http://m.ebay.es/itm/5-x-Genuine-TYCO-4 ... 0126204002
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:37 pm

I already had a connector for the job. It is water proof having seals on the cables and around the male connector, doubt it would be impenetrable but should do the job.

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working out the wiring was a bit of a head scratcher even with the diagrams I drew of the plug I mange to forget I cross a couple. I had drawn the plug but not as it mated. Worked it out before I had put terminals on the other end

The colour codes for reference seem to be
Yellow/White - Heated rear screen.
Blue/White - Wiper motor
Green - wiper motor
Green/Black - High level brake lamp
Brown - Terminates on the wiper motor and daisy chains to the Stop lamp and Heated rear screen.

When I replaced the wires I left out the foam insert, I guess this causes the tailgate to rot so best removed.

So the wiper , Brake lamp and HRW work. The only odd thing so far is that previously the wiper worked on wash, full when in reverse and windscreen wipers active but when switch to intermittent operated but didn't park. Now it works on wash, 6 and 20 second intervals, parks correctly but doesn't come on in reverse. I will need to investigate at some point.

I have bought some ACF-50 and gave the rear lamps and the hinges a spray. If you look up ACF-50 online they have a videos that show its abilities on corrosion.

Long term the cable between the roof aperture and tailgate is not as good as I would like it to be. Having thought about it I will look at installing a cable from the inside of the rear quarter panel. This will avoid the need to has a cable interfering with screen seal and a hole for water to pour in.
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Re: Blinky 51/480

Post by arthuy » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:31 pm

On my wish list is a new radiator an hoses.

Has anyone bought a new radiator recently? can you recommend a supplier?

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