Rear door (well, not door i know) speakers.

Dan the 480 Man · Post by **Dan the 480 Man** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:05 pm

When i eventually get all my shit paid off (steering rack), the money i get then i can start to put towards a few mod's.

The question i have is this: Is it worth putting speakers in to the rear doorcards as they are bloody well low and hidden behind the front seats-surely they are just pointless?? The front seats must just soak up the sound.

I have an SQ setup in mind (Pair of 13cm fronts and tweeters, 13cm rears (?) all off the Headunit and a small Amp driving a 12" Sub-all infinity at the mo), so nothing 'boom boom' like my last one, just good quality. I don't want to make a shelf for 6x9's, so i suppose if i don't bother with rear speakers i'll be losing quite alot of quality? Just seem's pointless as they are so well hidden!

Anybody else got any ideas/suggestions?

Brasco · Post by **Brasco** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:19 pm

I wouldn't bother too much with the back unless you're trying to impress your mates.

I put some little pioneers in the back... they were easy to fit (the space behind the covers is a bit limiting).

I think there are some good threads already on rear-speakers.

Ed. · Post by **Ed.** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:36 am

Hi Dan,

There is no need for rear speakers. The theory behind this is that when you go and see a band play live, you face the band and hence all of the sound should be coming from infront of you. Rear speakers could be used to add ambience, a little bit of rear fill perhaps, but nothing to distract you away from the front speakers.

For your sq install i would suggest you amp your front speakers too, this would make a bigger difference than you can imagine, not just in terms of loudness but the sound quality from the speakers will improve alot.

Ed

Dan the 480 Man · Post by **Dan the 480 Man** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:00 am

I see what you mean. Stereo is just 2ch so i suppose i need to replicate that. I had thought about amping up the fronts but i don't want to start mucking around with more than one amp. I had a monoblock amp in mind purely for the sub, and i wanted to spend a bit more on a decent HU with a good internal amp and a good equaliser range.

The reason i enquired into the rear speakers is because i'm still running a standard Volvo HU, and when i fade the speakers to the front's only, it doesn't sound as 'full' as it does with both front's and rear's running.

My 440 had quite loud sub's, so i needed 2 pairs really to increase the mid-range. But saying that, the rear components were next to the parcel shelf, so a different position altogether.

I need to get in a car with a setup the same as i want-then i can get a good idea of how it's really going to sound.

Cheers for the advice!

Ed. · Post by **Ed.** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:10 pm

A decent headunit is a must, lots to choose from but i would personally stay away from Sony. They don't build them like they used to. I would look at Alpine, Nakamichi, Pioneer, etc.

Internal headunit amps are never going to be as good as a dedicated amp. If you didn't want to run more than a single amp then there are other possible solutions. You could use a 3, 4 or 5 channel amp to power your front speakers and the sub.

When my new system is complete, I would hope it would be something special

Ed

Dan the 480 Man · Post by **Dan the 480 Man** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:20 pm

Well, this was the headunit i had in mind. I've got an iPod so i will be wiring that into the car, hence the adaptor: Alpine: CDA-9847R

With regards to speakers, i was looking at these:Infinity Reference 5000cs and just some regular 13cm Infintiy's for the rear (although probably not now), This amp Infinity Ref-7520A to drive this Sub: Infinity Ref-1230w 12". Although if you're suggesting amping up the fronts, then i'd look into this amp:Infinity Ref-7540A.

I want to try and keep the whole system the same make (other than the headunit). Infinity make some good quality stuff-and it's all quite reasonably priced too. I have seen all those advertised in Mag's alot cheaper, but they're just so you can see what i mean.

I'm still a little concerned about dropping rear speakers though. Even the standard ones make a difference...

Ed. · Post by **Ed.** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:21 pm

From a limited budget, thats not a bad choice of equipment there

With regards to the rear speakers, from a sound quality/point of reference view of the world, running them off the headunit faded out will be fine, just to give that little bit of rear fill.

Of course everyone's ears are different and what may sound good to me may not sound good to you

Ed

Dan the 480 Man · Post by **Dan the 480 Man** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:27 pm

I thought all that seemed reasonable too-it's easy for people to get drawn in by all these ICE packages these days. Looking at seperate parts and prices these days (which are very different to 5 years ago), i think you can probably match alot of these package deals anyway.

What i might do is get the initial equipment and see how it sounds with just the fronts-then if needs be i can purchase Rears if i think it needs them (plus they are a low RMS too so it would just be 'backround fill' as you say). I just know it's easy to get carried away with stuff like that (been there, done that-learnt alot about price/quality!)-want to keep it low key this time but not lose the quality!

Cheers for the advice etc, muchos appreciated!

martyc · Post by **martyc** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:22 pm

if you amp the fronts it will sound awesome, done this in my escort with some infinity 6.5inch components, ran them off an infinity 750ra 2 channel, with 2 12inch alpines driven by a vibe mono block, and the front components were more than capable of excellent clarity, and stunning vocals, also it gives your system more flexibility as you can set to high pass and cut all the bass for stunning piercing volume

MGB_GT · Post by **MGB_GT** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:18 am

Rear speakers as a defo for me. Just background fill, the Front speakers are much better also (Focal Componants). I never bothered installing the tweaters as the Volvo ones are more than adequate. Sub in boot handling all the Bass. With 4x52 Output I find there is enough volume, if you amp the front's watch the tweeters as it can blow them easily. The Alpine 4x60's sounds much better than my Sony, brother has the same setup in his car and it's fantastic, he's also got a much better sub.

martyc · Post by **martyc** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:14 am

well i used to run an alpine 7873 (dedicated adjustable sub pre-out, front and rear pre-outs, 4x60, motorised swing facia etc) and found as good as it was my amp made a huge difference to the extent where i dumped my 6x9's as my front components were enough to fill the whole car even above my 2 12's with 600watts rms thru them!!!