Window problems

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Window problems

Post by m616tls » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:59 am

Hi,

Have just acquired a white turbo '92 in poor body state, been left off the road for 9 yrs and only done 65k. The window motors seem to work but are detached from the windows. The sunroof does the same. I suspect the sunroof is a bit of a nuisance to fix, as it requires the headlining to be removed. Are there any pitfalls to avoid in carrying this out.

Also, the turbo cooling unit doesn't appear to be operating. My other turbo whines for a while, presumably pumping water around. Any ideas???

Cheers
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Re: Window problems

Post by balto8 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:53 pm

Regarding the sunroof, and to avoid you some mistakes I've made.

YOu do only need to remove the crystal to gain access to the elevating / closing mechanism. The headlining doesn't need to be removed at all.

With the crystal lifted you gain access to two hex bolts under the crystal. Those two bolts loosen clockwise and thighten counterclockwise. Once the crystal is removed you'll find the problem righ away wich is most of the times this linking plastic piece that is the Achilles heel of the system. You can buy them here, would recomend to get them in metalic material to solve the problem for good

http://www.shapeways.com/product/479CFH ... chiebedach

Here you can take a look at how the system works...

https://youtu.be/fC571HmuB0A
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Re: Window problems

Post by dcwalker » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:49 pm

m616tls wrote:Hi,

Have just acquired a white turbo '92 in poor body state, been left off the road for 9 yrs and only done 65k. The window motors seem to work but are detached from the windows. The sunroof does the same. I suspect the sunroof is a bit of a nuisance to fix, as it requires the headlining to be removed. Are there any pitfalls to avoid in carrying this out.

Also, the turbo cooling unit doesn't appear to be operating. My other turbo whines for a while, presumably pumping water around. Any ideas???

Cheers
The windows is probably a case of broken cables on the mechanisms each side - known weak points.

What you hear on your other turbo will be the auxiliary water pump that circulates the coolant for a few minutes after switch off. Should be one on the "new" turbo I'd have thought. May have its own fuse you could check; also look and see if it's been by-passed - that has been known...

David
Current: 1994 480 GT plus 2013 V60 D5 SE Lux Nav & 1997 440LE with lots of optional extras
Previous: Celebration 331 (re-homed with Richard S), Celebration 467 (returned to Martin Mc); Celebration 346 (re-homed with Alan480); Celebration 269 (scrapped abandoned project), Celebration 73 (sold on after 6 years), 1992 ES, 1988 ES - and numerous other non-480 Volvos!

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Re: Window problems

Post by m616tls » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:11 pm

Thanks to David and Balto8

David, I have dismantled the driver's window mechanism and it is broken. I have the passenger's side but not the driver's side mechanism. Need to hunt for one. Seems straightforward to fix.

Balto8 That is excellent info. I was not looking forward to that job at all. I never realised how complicated the sun roof mechanism was. I hope it is a broken link!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know where I can get the metal form of the link. I looked on your link to the site and they sell the plastic version.
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480 Turbo Robou Paris Blue Aug 1992 "Eva"
SAAB 9-5 HOT Aero estate 2008 Black "Kemosaaby".........weasel xxxx comes to mind.
Previous cars.
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850 SE 2.5 1996 Burgundy. "Mew"
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Re: Window problems

Post by glasgowjim » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:43 pm

When Balto refers to the crystal he means the sunroof glass.

If your sunroof goes up but not down then it is the plastic connectors that are broken
It is easy to access all you need to do is raise the sunroof and you will see a litle steel grub screw (has a space for an allen key on it .

NOW contrary to anything else you may read on here or elsewhere you turn the grub screw clockwise ie wind it in as if you are tightening it .


Do this slowly and when it gets so far in you can lift that side up easily . Repaet for the other side and it just lifts off.

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Re: Window problems

Post by m616tls » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:08 am

Thanks Glasgow Jim

We were up your way last week. The auxiliary water pump doesn't work. I have checked the fuse and it is ok. I presume it is the No 19 in the fuse box. Just to be sure, is the water pump, the starter motor looking device, under the servo dome. Are there any other hidden bits I need to look at to check it out. I guess after 9 yrs storage, the motor has gone to sleep.

I have raised the roof and the little grub screws are on the front pivots. They are about 2/3mm. The motor seems to lower the mechanism but not the roof, which needs pushing down to close it. This was a job I wasn't looking forward to. Hopefully, the links sort it.

Cheers Al
480 GT Green Aug 1994 "Sven"
480 Turbo Robou Paris Blue Aug 1992 "Eva"
SAAB 9-5 HOT Aero estate 2008 Black "Kemosaaby".........weasel xxxx comes to mind.
Previous cars.
940 2.3 SE Turbo May 1995 Burgundy "The Spy"
850 SE 2.5 1996 Burgundy. "Mew"
940 2.0 White "Dexy"

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Re: Window problems

Post by glasgowjim » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:24 pm

It is definately the plastic links and for once it is an easy job :wave: the links

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Re: Window problems

Post by Alan 480 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:57 pm

glasgowjim wrote:It is definately the plastic links and for once it is an easy job :wave: the links

What Jim means is 'REALLY easy fix' :D you DO NOT even need to remove the glass, in fact leave it in place just propped up at the back edge about 150-180mm as one less thing to go wrong on replacement :wink: . you can access the covers over the 'slider' using a right angled phillips driver or use the bit from a power tool and a small spanner! simples . . .

are the original links available? I replaced the drivers side on our car in 2002 with a normal plastic link and seems OK, touch wood :-) (I think I bought two at the time)
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Re: Window problems

Post by m616tls » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:25 pm

Cheers Alan

I am buying from this site, which was suggested to me by someone here, unless you know anywhere else I can go.

http://www.shapeways.com/product/479CFH ... chiebedach
480 GT Green Aug 1994 "Sven"
480 Turbo Robou Paris Blue Aug 1992 "Eva"
SAAB 9-5 HOT Aero estate 2008 Black "Kemosaaby".........weasel xxxx comes to mind.
Previous cars.
940 2.3 SE Turbo May 1995 Burgundy "The Spy"
850 SE 2.5 1996 Burgundy. "Mew"
940 2.0 White "Dexy"

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Re: Window problems

Post by dcwalker » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:28 pm

m616tls wrote:Thanks Glasgow Jim

We were up your way last week. The auxiliary water pump doesn't work. I have checked the fuse and it is ok. I presume it is the No 19 in the fuse box. Just to be sure, is the water pump, the starter motor looking device, under the servo dome. Are there any other hidden bits I need to look at to check it out. I guess after 9 yrs storage, the motor has gone to sleep.
Can't comment if it's in a different place on a Turbo but the auxiliary water pump on ES's was - if you stand at the front of the car looking under the bonnet - on the RHS as you look at it (UK passenger side) down in the coolant pipework behind the air filter housing. Small pump that looks like, well, a small pump...

David
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Previous: Celebration 331 (re-homed with Richard S), Celebration 467 (returned to Martin Mc); Celebration 346 (re-homed with Alan480); Celebration 269 (scrapped abandoned project), Celebration 73 (sold on after 6 years), 1992 ES, 1988 ES - and numerous other non-480 Volvos!

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Re: Window problems

Post by balto8 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:19 pm

I would recomend removing the glass for an easier job. That way you can replace that linking piece without breaking anything. How else can you unscrew that black box that retains the union of the linking part with that "turning zip" that comes from the motor? (exucuse my poor Spanish-English translation). Then put some grease to lubricate things,, give it a try a few times up and down and then refit the glass in place. The first tries, before you put the glass back in, try to do them slowly to see if you did put all back in it's original place. You might end up breaking a tab in the "elevating hinges" and so it won't close firmly after that.

Metal ones might seem expensive, but will last for the life of the car and can be sold after that I guess. I don't have any relationship with this german 3D shaper....

http://www.shapeways.com/product/479CFH ... d=58236740
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Re: Window problems

Post by Alan 480 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:52 pm

balto8 wrote:I would recomend removing the glass for an easier job. That way you can replace that linking piece without breaking anything. How else can you unscrew that black box that retains the union of the linking part with that "turning zip" that comes from the motor? (exucuse my poor Spanish-English translation).
your english is much better than my Spanish, I can manage to order a couple of beers (at a push) :-)

I'm only saying that I managed to swap out the plastic link with the glass still in place, I tried to remove the glass but it seemed to 'catching' on something and didn't want to push my luck too far . . . . . . . .
Alan

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Re: Window problems

Post by Krecix » Thu May 12, 2022 10:00 pm

glasgowjim wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:43 pm
When Balto refers to the crystal he means the sunroof glass.

If your sunroof goes up but not down then it is the plastic connectors that are broken
It is easy to access all you need to do is raise the sunroof and you will see a litle steel grub screw (has a space for an allen key on it .

NOW contrary to anything else you may read on here or elsewhere you turn the grub screw clockwise ie wind it in as if you are tightening it .


Do this slowly and when it gets so far in you can lift that side up easily . Repaet for the other side and it just lifts off.
Hi!
I am trying to fix my sunroof, but I stucked with screwing in the small allen screws - they started to rotate clockwise but after screwing in few milimeters they stopped to rotate easly. Is it normal that you need to use very much force to rotate them further? I am afraid that I damage the screw head... Anyone have any experience with that?

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Re: Window problems

Post by GCooper » Sat May 14, 2022 10:16 pm

Same with both mine haha

They're so fragile
1994 GT

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Re: Window problems

Post by jifflemon » Sun May 15, 2022 7:27 pm

GCooper wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 10:16 pm
Same with both mine haha

They're so fragile
I didn’t think the GT had a moonroof?

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Re: Window problems

Post by WillC9303 » Sun May 15, 2022 8:07 pm

jifflemon wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 7:27 pm
GCooper wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 10:16 pm
Same with both mine haha

They're so fragile
I didn’t think the GT had a moonroof?
I remember seeing a green GT with one of those dealer fit manual sunroofs on a thread here a while back. I don't know if that's what he's referring to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 480's generally either had the electric moonroof OR A/C. I believe that's why the Celebs and GT's both have A/C, but no moonroof. On the contrary, the TT's and Paris Editions both had moonroofs as standard, but no A/C.
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Re: Window problems

Post by dragonflyjewels » Sun May 15, 2022 8:47 pm

I believe it was an either/or situation. If your chosen model had aircon the moonroof was an optional extra and vice versa. A French friend has an English ES with both so aircon must have been bought as an extra and there is a Celebration on the register which sports the factory fitted moonroof.
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Re: Window problems

Post by jifflemon » Mon May 16, 2022 6:16 am

Or someone’s turbo that has both AC and moonroof….

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Re: Window problems

Post by dcwalker » Mon May 16, 2022 6:59 am

dragonflyjewels wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 8:47 pm
I believe it was an either/or situation. If your chosen model had aircon the moonroof was an optional extra and vice versa. A French friend has an English ES with both so aircon must have been bought as an extra and there is a Celebration on the register which sports the factory fitted moonroof.
Sorry, but not quite...

There were two body shells, one with moonroof one without (hence the "SR") distinction in the formal model names.

For the UK, an ES or Turbo came with a moonroof after about 1989/90. Standard. Air con was always an option. So an ES or Turbo with both has standard moonroof, optional aircon.

It didn't work the other way round though. The point of the GT and Celebration was to use up all the unsold aircon units and all the unsold older (or S model without moonroof) body shells. Plus remember the mid 90s was seeing the boom in fitting aircon to cars of all makes, with a corresponding removal of sunroofs. The latter remain high cost options on most cases to this day...

Electric moonroof was never available (certainly in UK) as an option.

If you wanted a sunroof in a GT or a Celebration, it would be a simple tilting glass sunroof where the dealer took a can-opener to the roof. Will's GT is such an example.

I believe that Celebration you mention had a complete new roof welded on, complete with moonroof. It didn't come from Volvo like that.

Presence of the genuine electric moonroof is one of the classic ways to identify the wrongly registered UK GTs ( on the basis there can't be many people have swapped complete roofs!!).

David
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Re: Window problems

Post by GCooper » Mon May 16, 2022 3:51 pm

Oops I meant to clarify, my electric windows are broken, I don't have a moonroof
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