how much power can auto tranny deal with

V480TI · Post by **V480TI** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:28 pm

How much can the auto transmission have ??

Can it handle a Pruen upgrade ???

greetz

Daniel480 · Post by **Daniel480** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:07 pm

I donÂ´t think it will hold long with more than 160 HP.

After 10 years the ZF boxes even get killed with the standard 120 HP. More boxes fail with the 2 liters engines !

I think you can have fun with them when you change every year the gearboxoil and give the box a flush! But even than iÂ´m not optimistic !

I allready killed a gearbox, so i know what iÂ´m talking about

Dan

schakal · Post by **schakal** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:47 am

wonder if renault made the gearbox as well ?
cause the ones they used on most cars of that period is a piece of piss
JB3 gearbox seems to pop the diff circlip when its on its way hence you loose drive , than you put the bloody circlip back on and it pops out again after god knows how many miles

anyway ,anyone know if the gearboxes on these cars renault/volvo would be interchangeable ??

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:28 am

It will take a rich mod without a problem. I will also take a super mod but after a month it will die. (standard crappy cooler)

I might add that's using a super mod and T2 which spools up to fast and rips the autobox up. It's not the same using my T25 as I get more spool and the gears are ready for it.

I'm now back on standard rich mod without any problems but i'll be fitting a cooler.

The main problem is heat! The atf goes black like oil and it's just shit, I would fit a better cooler if you wanna more then standard power.

V480TI · Post by **V480TI** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:04 am

Well if it dies after a month with the super mod the box can't handle it.
Atleast, that is how I think about it.
Bigger cooler might be an idea.

But 2 cars I have been after are already sold.
One very nice black auto from 1993
One turbo flame red metallic from 1994.

For both I was just too late.
damn

Have to wait for the next opportunity.

greetz

Daniel480 · Post by **Daniel480** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:24 pm

The autoboxes are made by the "famous" german company ZF (Zahnradfabrik).

The 480 box is not the bestone they have made. I also think a bigger cooler could help, but not as a daily driver..........

catgroom · Post by **catgroom** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:19 pm

Mine has been running a Pruen upgrade for 50000 miles.I change the Trans Fluid every 10000 and use a bottle of Lubegard Transmission Protectant to reduce its friction and heat.Amsoil additive is even better.

No slipping,no odd noises,smooth changes.Car on 108000 miles,original gearbox.

haz@nocturnal_development · Post by **haz@nocturnal_development** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:38 pm

if the oil's going black then its going out of its heat range, a bigger cooler would be required and a higher rating fluid would be helpful.

the boxes do interchange but to be fair the volvo ones feel stronger/nicer. there are variations of volvo box too, m50, m54? etc

haz

schakal · Post by **schakal** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:47 am

haz@nocturnal_development wrote:
the boxes do interchange but to be fair the volvo ones feel stronger/nicer. there are variations of volvo box too, m50, m54? etc

haz

i believe any gearbox would be better than renault one (jb3),it just cant cope with the power on the r19 16v (137bhp)

so are you saying the volvo box from a 480 would fit the renault 19 ??
if so ,what about the driveshafts ??
you are giving me ideas now haz

rapid R5 · Post by **rapid R5** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:05 am

Its the M59 gearbox haz is thinking of, and yes it will go on the F block and the shafts will fit.

steve

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:40 am

AUTOMATICS thread, Your talking about manual gearboxes.

Anyways the 480 came with just one ZF 4HP14 automatic tranny

http://www.jpat.co.uk/jpat_pdfs/ZF%20Ac ... 04HP14.pdf

haz@nocturnal_development · Post by **haz@nocturnal_development** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:49 am

i know its an auto thread but just offering other optons. auto and performance dont belong together. why bother spending time n money if you know its not goin to work?

cheers steve, i'm sure there's a couple?

shakal, you also need the 19's drivers shaft cup too. a jb3 should be able to cope with more power than that tho. theres also a quick mod to make the 16v feel alot more responsive

haz

rapid R5 · Post by **rapid R5** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:09 am

cheers haz, was just about to post about, drive shaft thingy, yeah mate think there are a couple of gearboxes, seem to remember the M59 is the later stronger box, thats why it stands out.

steve

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:15 am

Haz, I only do auto but your right if you want big power go manual but even those standard M59 (turbo box) die, ask Rich his killed a few.

haz@nocturnal_development · Post by **haz@nocturnal_development** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:51 am

martinholmesuk wrote:Haz, I only do auto but your right if you want big power go manual but even those standard M59 (turbo box) die, ask Rich his killed a few.

it seems he's ruined alot of stuff thru testing, and when he does he does it properly

i know he's done alot for the club but you forget that rich isn't the only person who tries and tests stuff, but sometimes experience can prevent some mishaps, hence me gettin help along the way. we use technology thats accurate rather than LED's etc and i still have my std pistons, at least 12mth old clutch, my old turbo came off in 1 peice etc etc.

there's more than one way to skin a cat

haz

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:25 am

am I right in thinking you run or work at some dyno/tuning place?

eveyone here is more your garden shed sorta people

Before our mighty lord came around there was no upgrades for our little 480's

hell if my autobox could be made strong then i'd be there with cash

haz@nocturnal_development · Post by **haz@nocturnal_development** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:45 pm

i have a worskshop with a few of my mates, as a place where we could work on our cars, and then our mates cars, which has kinda grew into a part time business. we do what we can, like servicing, accident damage, engine conversions, bespoke conversions, supply of parts and advice and whatever else we get asked.
we are enthusiasts and try to make some cash from doing something we enjoy and are interested in.

i'm very keen to get as much power from the b18ft, ideally i'd have a group B rally car as my runabout, but they're a bit outta my price range, so i'm tryin to learn as much as poss from other like minded nutters, and build something of similar spec.

anyhow, back on topic

i've not really done much with auto-boxes, and cant see any pro's to using one in a powerful car, so haven't done alot of research, but i'm sure something could be done. sorry i cant help

haz

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how much power can auto tranny deal with

how much power can auto tranny deal with

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