no spark on a 1989 ES

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by nemielas » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:39 pm

as new ignition module is rather expensive - ~200EUR :shock: w/o postage on ebay.de it's better to be 100+5% sure that it's faulty :D

first of all your 300-400mV reading is for B18E engine so forget it. you should have used next step in fault finding workflow which requires LED :)

I'm not sure which Haynes book you've got - early one up to 1992 models or later one up to 1997 models but basically they have same workflow for ignition system checking. so if you've any of them use it :)

things you should check are:
1) flywheel sensor - check resistance is within tolerable range, should be clean, fitted properly (should fit only one way)
2) power supply/earth connection to ignition module.
3) ignition signal - that's where LED comes into play
4) ignition coil output/power supply signals.

if I understand wiring correctly, connectors on ignition module should be conneted to following locations:
* one 3 pin connector should have flywheel sensor/ignition signal/knock sensor connected to it
* another 3 pin connector has flywheel sensor/knock sensor/ground
* 2 pin connector has ECU signal/REV counter

just follow Haynes and you should be fine - it's fairly simple.
goodluck and hope this helps.

PS sorry for stupid question but what makes you think you've no spark? have you tested on HT lead with spark in it?
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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:15 am

thanks for the tips Jim
ill follow all of them
i tried to have a friend inside the car and i saw myself there where no spark
no spark the lead, not even directly on the coil..
nada..non.. zero.. :D

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by glasgowjim » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:02 am

Look up the correct page in the download parts book....

http://volvo480.dyndns.org/v480eu/downl ... tsbook.pdf

I think this will help significantly.

as it seems to indicate 2 parts.

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:10 pm

sorry but the link doesnt work for me..
can you please send it to my mail?
robert66@tyfonmail.se

thanks for your help..
Robert

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by travelman » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:53 pm

It may be worth thoroughly cleaning all the contacts on the coil and the earth.My 480 was completely dead,no spark whatsoever.I thought it was something serious,but the old guy at the Volvo Garage told me to clean all contacts as mentioned before looking further.I did as advised and it started first turn of the key and has had no problems since.
The contacts over a period of time seem to build up a scale on them and eventually it builds up and cuts off the flow of current.Hope its something simple-good luck if you have to investigate further. travelman.

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:37 am

among the first thing i made was to sandpaper all the oxided contacts and even use a contact spray..
no luck..
but if i look at the rear of the ignition module you cna see its a cote of epoxi..
my guess its there for protecting the components..
these coat have some thin cracks.. so my guess is that water have come inside and make the circuits non working..

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:29 pm

an update.. maybe these pic will help you fidn out what engine i have..
remember the vacuum clock that my ignition module is equip with?
the tube from it goes to the part marked in red on the pic.
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my question is..if your module doesnt have the vacuum clock .. how is these part connected?
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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by glasgowjim » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:40 pm

Rob if you look at the schematic of the ignition coil it looks as if it comes in 2 parts a coil like the one BDB spoke about and a frame which holds the "vacuum" part. Well worth a look.

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:37 pm

Thanks!
noticed that..
so i just need to wait untill i found the proper part..

another thing.. i was contacted from a person who claimed he got the part.
however he told me he got his son studying in Nigeria and he wanted me to pay in advance via Western union...mmmm
well.. i told him to go to hell.. i have allready been scammed that way lots of years.. ago..

so beware .. those scammers worj here in these forum too.. :kill:

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by bigdickbuster » Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:16 pm

You have B18E or B18F engine.

Who gave you an fishy offer on this Forum? :shock:
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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:23 pm

actually i wasnt contacted here but privat on my ordinary email address..
but he must have read these forum since he knew i was looking after that part...
anyhow.. i told him he could go to hell..
seems that all Nigeria only lives on that kind of business.. :nuts:

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:52 pm

another scammer contacted me yesterday..
it seem that lots of those bastards are looking a these site...
here is the mail.. "and i still havent find the proper part.."
Hi Robert,

I am asking a £100 and price includes shipping.I will be shipping
via Ups or FedEx which ever you prefer and will accept payment via
Western Union or Money gram.Whats your shipping address?

Thanks

Steve Ford

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:09 pm

sorry to bother.. but is it really so that no one have one of those ignition modules for sale?
winter is approaching and ill love to get these little car going before i have to put it for the winter sleep..

cheers
Robert

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:30 pm

Hi All..
still not luck.. no parts.. :cryhard:
wonder.. how much is it needed to exchange the ignition so i can use a more common module?

cheers
Robert

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:29 pm

Finally..!
i found one that may fit.. it looks identical..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130564669744? ... 1439.l2649
first i had to go to Ebay.fr
then translate the auction from French to English and then send him a question with the help of google translate..
for some reason i got the answer in English.. :eek:
so now i just have to wait for the parcel..
wish me luck..

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES SOLVED !!

Post by BobDeere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:29 pm

:hopping:
Finally !!
yes it starts !
i swapped all the electronics "module and the computer in the interior of the car"
gave him a spray of start gas inside the air box and it started directly..
but i doesnt run more then 1 sec,,it seems that the petrol doesnt arrive to the injectors

regarding the fuel pump? should i hear it when i switch the car on?
a friend told me the fuel pump relay use to broke..is it located near the other fuses/relays in the engine compartment?

Thanks once again for your help during the time.. :D

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by glasgowjim » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:15 pm

the fuel pump relay is one of the relays shown on the original photo I put up on an earlier page of this thread. The relay will have a fuse holder mounted on it so check the fuse first.

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:20 pm

Hi Jim !
you mean the relays and fuses located under the steering column?

cheers
Robert

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by BobDeere » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:44 pm

found those relays holder under the steering column.. but no relays

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any idea what kind of relays shoud be fitted there?
also.. what are those 3 relays for? is one of them for the fuel pump?

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Re: no spark on a 1989 ES

Post by 480 2.0|T » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Hi.
When left-hand drive, the fuel pump relay is on the passenger side in front of the door, at least at 2l and turbo. Don't know if this is true at '89 ES. It should be mounted in a holder together with the ignition relay.

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