uber urgent enquiry possible engine fooked

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:23 pm

Last night in dark and rain checked the oil damn near dry so topped up and I overdid it. 24 hours later son drives back with a huge cloud of blue gray smoke from exhaust and lack of power . Have I fooked my piston rings?

No water / mayonaise on oil cap.

If I have then can you remove the pistons without removing the engine , by dropping the sump when car front up on front car ramps raised a foot off ground.

So I would need only to get ring compressors to fit new piston rings and I would be back on road. Or is there more to this than that? Is there likely to be other damage.

If I cant get at the pistons from underneath then I suppose I would have to remove engine to get at he piston rings so now I would need a hoist!

Would I be better off taking a shotgun to the car now?
Shooting the wife ?
Or getting a brain transplant for being such a retard

Melvin480 · Post by **Melvin480** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:08 pm

Haven't had this myself before (I'm not a retard

) I would imagine that other parts than piston rings will give way first if the pressure there gets to high due to too much oil. Maybe an oil seal? Maybe you can check such things first? Although it may not explain the smoke from the exhaust. Or the oil seperator at the crank case ventilation?

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:08 pm

FFS Ã‚Â£45 per piston for a a piston ring set !

cars getting broken at this rate its ridiculous

Melvin480 · Post by **Melvin480** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:38 am

That's a lot of money if you need to do all 4 pistons. Do you want to do all the pistons or the one you think is broken? But I still don't get why you're so sure that you've killed the piston rings on one or more pistons?

How much oil did you add above the maximum? And if, for example, a reasonable amount of oil will enter the cilinder(s) at once (let say through the crankcase ventilation) , this will cover the sparkplug(s) and may cause lack of power.

Maybe you have checked everything already, but in you're post you only describe the worst case scenario without ruling out any other option. It might be not that bad

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:59 am

Melvin with my luck ....

remember the old volkswagen advert about the lucky man he was sooo lucky that he married a sex kitten just before she turned ino a cat well thats the way things are going for me just now.

I am hovering up all the bad karma in glasgow at this rate !

but never fear I will check out everything before deciding!

That is the good thing abou being a retard you dont realise how thick you are

like talking about old UK tv adverts with a dutchman

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:10 am

Hi Jim,

in reply to your PM.

Never done it on a 2lt but its going to be the same as a turbo so...

Remove the inlet manifold / exhaust
remove the head
remove the sump
undo the bolts holding the con rods to the crank and remove and number the parts which come off
get a wood hammer handle and knock the pistons out the top of block and get someone to catch them.

One looking like this... you can knock them out.

Fun Fun Fun!

The worst part is getting the sump to seal up again lol

Your need a piston ring compressor also. I got one you can borrow if you need it.

LANTIN · Post by **LANTIN** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:33 am

Before opening the engine you should try to measure the compression in the cylinders.

Iroll480 · Post by **Iroll480** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:48 am

I would first do a compression test before removing the pistons. See what that gives.
If the oillevel was very high the pistonsbottoms would slap on the oilsurface which could bent the rods, damage the crank and/or bearings etc.

bigdickbuster · Post by **bigdickbuster** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:33 pm

Check the compression first. Maybe only cylinder head is crap?

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:53 pm

Progress so far;-

bought compression tester

drained engine oil

tossed contaminated air filter removed the inlet manifold / idv / oil air breather cleaned up pipes and tubing and spark plugs.

tomorrow will reassemble and see if the rings are intact and its something else (fingers crossed )

but if it does not make any difference then compression testing it is!

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:48 am

your meant to do the test before you take it all apart mate.

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:47 pm

Ah Martin thats only clever people do it that way uz reetards do things abit differently

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:42 pm

well intake reassembled and very little smoke but still its there so out with the compression tester and go for a short run first came back and did the compression testing....

cylinder plug compression in psi

4 dry 132
3 dry 133
2 dry 137
1 dry 135

so I think the pison rings have survived he smoke has almost gone and the litle flecks of oil from exhaust is the residue of the oil still in system.

I am a smiling retard again.

fecking keyboard makes my posts like a script from Allo Allo

Melvin480 · Post by **Melvin480** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:21 pm

Good to hear that it isn't as bad as you first thought. I recognise it when something happens to my car, I also first think of the worst that might have happened. For some reason it's easier to think logical about problems of someone else's car

I'm wondering how much oil did you had in the system to cause all this?

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:38 pm

oceans of oil

martinholmesuk · Post by **martinholmesuk** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:26 am

That's good news regarding the rings. I remember vader having a little accident with oil

glasgowjim · Post by **glasgowjim** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:59 pm

when for a good est drive and the car started smoking clouds of fumes well I was booting it at 4000revs (vroom vroom ) well drove back then thought what the hell put 20 litres in tank and went for a good run good smoke now so it was just the system clearing iself of any oil .

Meesa very happy bunny now

just abs to sort