GEARBOX OIL

esta · Post by **esta** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:04 pm

OK, Volvo want Ã‚Â£45+VAT and wont be in till Tues-what is the rating? Volvo seem to think there is "no rating so you cant get it from anywhere else"

Please someone tell me there is a real rating and that I can go to a car spares and get some! And for a lot cheaper hopefully!!

eEm · Post by **eEm** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:23 pm

75W/90 my dear. Thats for the manual box, I payed Ã‚Â£16 a litre for it.

esta · Post by **esta** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:17 pm

Ideal thank you!

The Haynes says for anything 1989 and beyond that its a Volvo specal oil, and when i phoned a local car spares the guy said "It says here to refere to manual" Rubbish!!

Cheers!

rgreenhalf · Post by **rgreenhalf** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:43 am

Read JT's engine swap thread. Needs to be phosphor bronze safe as Volvo uprated the original Renault gearbox's to make them more reliable.

Normal GB/Oil tends to attach the bronze components over time, and will cause damage. Chemically its the sulphur used in most modern gearbox oils as the EP additive

[Shouldn't this be in the Power Transmission Section

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esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:38 am

Lol yes it prob is the wrong section, I was in a hurry so just posted it in the first section lol!

Mods: Please feel free to move

rgreenhalf · Post by **rgreenhalf** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:00 pm

As long as you read the rest of my post, that bits slightly more important

eEm · Post by **eEm** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:32 pm

Shit! I was recomended 'Morris Lubricants SS' API GL1-5 high EP which I'm assuming means packed with Phosphorus and Sulphur? Although it is stated as being 'universal'. I had no idea copper/bronze was used in gearboxes anymore.

RG, you may have cost my parts guy his fingers, the voices are telling me to introduce my lump hammer to them one-at-a-time

esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:52 pm

lol yeah I did cheers Ross.

ITs odd cos the manual says that the 480s up to 1988 can use SAE 80W, but Volvo are clearly not willing to give away the secrets about the post '89 models-not when morons like me could end up paying over Ã‚Â£50 for it!

Thanks for sorting that out for me guys, saved me a packet!

Just gotta find somewhere selling some suitable oil!

esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:58 pm

Hmm Halfrauds do some....Ã‚Â£9.99/l and the old box takes 3.4l!! Joy to my wallet!

Seriously, this car loves keeping the weight off my pocket!!

Still Ã‚Â£30 (and whatever discount I get) is still way cheaper than Volvos! although it doesnt say in the advert whether its suitable as Ross mentioned...

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... ryId_77317

rgreenhalf · Post by **rgreenhalf** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:58 pm

Hi Eem,

I'm by no means an expert on the subject, however numerous posts on here discuss the fact that the 480 gearboxs contain 'bronze' components, which is essentially a yellow metal. This is true of all gearbox's post '89.

Now as far as I can make out, and after conducting a little research (As I need to get more gearbox oil myself). Millers TRX or Volvo own brand are the two most common safe oils, these are sulphur free oils which will not impact the bronze components.

Links / Info:

Why should I choose non-EP straight oils for my classic car?

Depending on the age, make and model non-EP gear oils may be required for use in gearboxes and final drives. Certain designs contained a lot of phosphor-bronze (copper containing) components that are sensitive particularly to the sulphur extreme pressure (EP) additive. The sulphur attacks the copper and destroys the integrity of the meshing gear surfaces.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/ ... tm?t=59535

http://volvo480.dragons.org.uk/forum/vi ... ht=millers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_oil -> read bit about 'phosphor bronze'

rgreenhalf · Post by **rgreenhalf** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:00 pm

esta wrote: ITs odd cos the manual says that the 480s up to 1988 can use SAE 80W, but Volvo are clearly not willing to give away the secrets about the post '89 models-not when morons like me could end up paying over Ã‚Â£50 for it!

Pre '89 Boxes do not suffer the same fate, as they did not contain the bronze components. After all the work you've put into Lula, it'd be a shame to damage it from putting the wrong oil in, long term. Short term, I'm not sure on the damage, but I can't see it being *that* bad.

esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:05 pm

Comma 75/90 GL-5...this safe?

rgreenhalf · Post by **rgreenhalf** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:23 pm

I doubt it, I spoke to fuchs who told me none of their oils were safe.

eEm · Post by **eEm** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:35 pm

@ Esta - best bet is Millers by the sound of things, I wouldn't trust Halfrauds, especially not at that price.

@ RG - That 'Honest John' guy has basically copied word for word the Morris Lubricants FAQ's section from their website, I've just been reading it. Your info is correct, now to see whether there is a gearbox additive to nuetralise the effect of the phosphorus, otherwise I'll be charged with kidnapping, torture, arson, abh, gbh and probably rape before the weekend is spent!

I thought I was on to a winner with this parts guy!

lee · Post by **lee** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:37 pm

miller oil do an alternative to the volvo oil and is slightly cheaper. Also rember that the volvo oil come in an exact amount so none left for any topping up that you may need in the future

esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:40 pm

eEm wrote:@ Esta - best bet is Millers by the sound of things, I wouldn't trust Halfrauds, especially not at that price.

@ RG - That 'Honest John' guy has basically copied word for word the Morris Lubricants FAQ's section from their website, I've just been reading it. Your info is correct, now to see whether there is a gearbox additive to nuetralise the effect of the phosphorus, otherwise I'll be charged with kidnapping, torture, arson, abh, gbh and probably rape before the weekend is spent!

I thought I was on to a winner with this parts guy!

yeah but where can I get some Millers from? I need some today as no doubt all places will be shut Sunday and Monday, and Joes insurance runs out for his car tomorrow so I need to be driving to get us to work!!

esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:43 pm

Just out of curiosity, this gearbox the same as any Renaults...?

esta · Post by **esta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:50 pm

macaroni wrote:
I changed the oil and the old oil was pretty clean with no filings in it. My new oil was from Comma and they claim it is safe to use with bronze parts, but I guess the old oil wasn't.

eEm · Post by **eEm** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:56 pm

Easy girl, I'm working on it. I've managed to find out that Millers is based in New Zealand but that probably doesn't help

Try Lube Oil; Specialising in Lubricants, Lube Oil can be found at 4 Porters Way Birmingham, B9 5RR in the county of West Midlands. Lube Oil are available on 0121 772 6999.

rgreenhalf · Post by **rgreenhalf** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:00 pm

Well short term put anything in you can get your hands on, long term I'd get it changed to something that is verified as bronze safe. When I spoke to Fuchs UK, the guy didn't really understand what the issue was with bronze, so I had no confidence in him (This was the product manager for Fuchs UK, not some chump on work experience).

I'd possibly speak to Comma and see what they say?

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