Spare dashboard cluster

[frenchfries]

Hi all

Cranna has put some parts on Ebay from his Celebration including the dash.

Now, I am interested because the mileage on his is precisely (bu 10 miles!) the mileage on mine, however, would it fit a 1993 Turbo Auto? I wonder if the Celeb was better equipped so could this be a problem if i was to switch both?

Brinkie, I would still have mine fixed anyway

[Alan 480]

I have a spare (earlier) dash (grey/green) but I didn't know Cranna had a spare 93 dash!!

I'll need to get in touch and see if he would swap as my spare would probably fit his car?

[frenchfries]

He is breaking. Hold your horses on the swap I am interested in buying if it fits

[frenchfries]

He is breaking. Hold your horses on the swap I am interested in buying if it fits

Sorry it is Josh, Cranna replied to the thread.

Another question, Skip is wearing 195/55/15 all around. I assume this is the correct size but will it be a problem with regards to the speed indicator. I don't know what is the tyre size on a Celebration

[dcwalker]

Another question, Skip is wearing 195/55/15 all around. I assume this is the correct size but will it be a problem with regards to the speed indicator. I don't know what is the tyre size on a Celebration

I ran 195/55 R15 on my Celebration for 6 years no problems, they are also the size on my current GT. So you'd be fine...

David

[frenchfries]

Another question, Skip is wearing 195/55/15 all around. I assume this is the correct size but will it be a problem with regards to the speed indicator. I don't know what is the tyre size on a Celebration

I ran 195/55 R15 on my Celebration for 6 years no problems, they are also the size on my current GT. So you'd be fine...

David

Hi David, yes I saw one of your posts about this. I have sent a PM to Brinkie just to be sure as the dashboard was going to be tackled last but if it can jump the queue why not.

The donor car appears to be a 1993 as well so what could possibly go wrong............

[brinkie]

If the donor car has the same engine and is of the same model year, you should be OK.

However, your car is a 1.7 Turbo and the donor is a Celebration which has a 2 litre non-turbo engine. There is an easy way to convert the info centre computer from 2.0 to 1.7 Turbo, the other way around is a lot more difficult.

In the pictures below you can see pins marked 1, 2 and 3 on the info centre computer. (Ignore the dates, if you follow the scheme there should be no info centre if your car has been manufactured between August 1990 and August 1991 so the dates are obviously wrong!)




The technical documentation hasn't been updated for the B20F engine but they have the same computers as the B18EP/FP.

What you need to do to convert a B20F (Celebration 2.0) info centre to a B18FT (Turbo), is cut away the tab marked "3". Just use long-nose pliers and break the tab off. This way, a circuit trace will be cut, telling the computer it should run the program for a Turbo (different fuel computer, so different signals) rather than a normally aspirated engine.

PS: I feel sad that some idiot felt the need to take so many lives in Manchester. Hope your friends and relatives weren't amongst the victims.

[frenchfries]

If the donor car has the same engine and is of the same model year, you should be OK.

However, your car is a 1.7 Turbo and the donor is a Celebration which has a 2 litre non-turbo engine. There is an easy way to convert the info centre computer from 2.0 to 1.7 Turbo, the other way around is a lot more difficult.

In the pictures below you can see pins marked 1, 2 and 3 on the info centre computer. (Ignore the dates, if you follow the scheme there should be no info centre if your car has been manufactured between August 1990 and August 1991 so the dates are obviously wrong!)




The technical documentation hasn't been updated for the B20F engine but they have the same computers as the B18EP/FP.

What you need to do to convert a B20F (Celebration 2.0) info centre to a B18FT (Turbo), is cut away the tab marked "3". Just use long-nose pliers and break the tab off. This way, a circuit trace will be cut, telling the computer it should run the program for a Turbo (different fuel computer, so different signals) rather than a normally aspirated engine.

PS: I feel sad that some idiot felt the need to take so many lives in Manchester. Hope your friends and relatives weren't amongst the victims.

I think I can manage that.
Thanks Boss

[brinkie]

You're welcome

By the way, 195/55-15 is the default tire size on 15" rims. You can choose 195/50-15 at a pinch but that doesn't look good on cars with standard springs.

[frenchfries]

Cluster is on its way, together with an unbroken number plate holder

The data on tires is a bit haphazard to say the least but I am the type who will Google "Volvo 480 tires" and peel through images in order to get some sense as to what goes on what. Yes, I can be THAT nerdy!

At least all 4 are brand new except that at the rear they are of a different make, at least I know it is not a MOT failure and I doubt it will impact the driving........

[frenchfries]

If the donor car has the same engine and is of the same model year, you should be OK.

However, your car is a 1.7 Turbo and the donor is a Celebration which has a 2 litre non-turbo engine. There is an easy way to convert the info centre computer from 2.0 to 1.7 Turbo, the other way around is a lot more difficult.

In the pictures below you can see pins marked 1, 2 and 3 on the info centre computer. (Ignore the dates, if you follow the scheme there should be no info centre if your car has been manufactured between August 1990 and August 1991 so the dates are obviously wrong!)




The technical documentation hasn't been updated for the B20F engine but they have the same computers as the B18EP/FP.

What you need to do to convert a B20F (Celebration 2.0) info centre to a B18FT (Turbo), is cut away the tab marked "3". Just use long-nose pliers and break the tab off. This way, a circuit trace will be cut, telling the computer it should run the program for a Turbo (different fuel computer, so different signals) rather than a normally aspirated engine.

PS: I feel sad that some idiot felt the need to take so many lives in Manchester. Hope your friends and relatives weren't amongst the victims.

Hi Brinkie

Here are the pics of the dashboard swap:



VDO 712 comes from my 1.7 Turbo and as you can see tab 3 was already gone



VDO 734 is from the Celebration and all three tabs are present.
When I did a straight swap the infocentre shows random information on the screen, just a green tab here and there except for the fuel which does seem to be correct.

Am I supposed to cut "tab 3" on VDO 734?

I am away tomorrow for the week so I would really appreciate your help in moving forward on this one

Another question, the new cluster has a SRS light which is always on, since I do not have SRS on my car can I just remove the bulb? I have the feeling that it is a MOT failure in the UK if the car shows a "faulty" SRS.

[brinkie]

Here are the pics of the dashboard swap:



VDO 712 comes from my 1.7 Turbo and as you can see tab 3 was already gone

Like it should! This is the correct one.

VDO 734 is from the Celebration and all three tabs are present.
When I did a straight swap the infocentre shows random information on the screen, just a green tab here and there except for the fuel which does seem to be correct.

Am I supposed to cut "tab 3" on VDO 734?

Yes you should, but the only difference between the Turbo and non-Turbo info centres are the way input signals are handled to calculate fuel consumption.
Did you forget to connect the info centre switch?

I am away tomorrow for the week so I would really appreciate your help in moving forward on this one

Another question, the new cluster has a SRS light which is always on, since I do not have SRS on my car can I just remove the bulb? I have the feeling that it is a MOT failure in the UK if the car shows a "faulty" SRS.

If you have no SRS on your car, just leave out the bulb (swap it with the bulb that indicated the lights are on; that one is virtually always blown) and have no worries about MOT, because even with SRS there is no MOT obligation for the light to work.

[frenchfries]

SRS bulb is gone. My old cluster shows the infocentre but not the new one. I tried to switch the VOD over but the new cluster does not show the infocentre with the older VOD either.

[frenchfries]

Well
Today has been a sea of disappointment.
The new cluster shows speed but the infocentre just shows bits of green.
As I was leaving the house to test if the speed shows I have a sinking feeling that the driver's window broke inside the door. It does not go up or down but the mechanism sounds like it is grinding sand.

Totally disheartened..........

[dragonflyjewels]

Sounds like the cable on your window regulator has broken. If you cannot get a replacement, Joep can repair yours. I believe he charges about 70 euros and does a complete refurb. Beware the aftermarket ones for about £100 - they will open and close the window normally but will not close on the key or open using the tollbooth function.
I've had my 480 since 2001 and done 130k miles in it - only had one regulator go in all that time so don't give up.

[frenchfries]

Sounds like the cable on your window regulator has broken. If you cannot get a replacement, Joep can repair yours. I believe he charges about 70 euros and does a complete refurb. Beware the aftermarket ones for about £100 - they will open and close the window normally but will not close on the key or open using the tollbooth function.
I've had my 480 since 2001 and done 130k miles in it - only had one regulator go in all that time so don't give up.

Thanks for the info and cheer up message, much appreciated. I am away until Friday so another thing to look at on my return...........

By the way, has anyone got the 2 screws at the top of the dashboard and one that does underneath (near the high beam artm thingy)? those 3 are missing.

Best

Moi

[frenchfries]

Sounds like the cable on your window regulator has broken. If you cannot get a replacement, Joep can repair yours. I believe he charges about 70 euros and does a complete refurb. Beware the aftermarket ones for about £100 - they will open and close the window normally but will not close on the key or open using the tollbooth function.
I've had my 480 since 2001 and done 130k miles in it - only had one regulator go in all that time so don't give up.

I removed the door card yesterday and at least the window is not broken. The grinding sound must be coming from the regulator (attached to the door with 3 screws) so I will try to get one to start with however, I have not got a clue how to replace it myself, is there a "how to" somewhere or should I just take the car to the garage and be done with?

I have a short video or the sound it makes here maybe it will work: https://www.dropbox.com/s/40gqeg1z8vrn2 ... 2.mp4?dl=0

[eye of ra]

Can I suggest you stop running the motor unless you intend to replace the complete unit as each time you run it it is damaging the wire inside it.

Mine looked like this after only a couple of times running the motor.

[eye of ra]

The most likely reason for the fault is that a piece of plastic has snapped off the runner that holds the cable. The below image shows where mine had snapped.



The plastic holding the left hand spring can snap instead.

Below shows the repair that can be done.

[Alan 480]

The most likely reason for the fault is that a piece of plastic has snapped off the runner that holds the cable. The below image shows where mine had snapped.

yep I had a similar issue, cable had popped out of top clip, pretty messy cable/routing with black moly grease but did effect a repair until got a decent second hand unit installed